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  • TheUltraman
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    00:22, September 12, 2013

    Hi All,

    Ultraman has recently been doing a great job of looking around this wiki to see what needs doing to bring it back to full life. But there are some quite deep issues left over from the fork, that I think need dealing with to let him, and other people here, revive the wiki

    The main thing that's going to be an issue here, is that the fork is still affecting this wiki. That really worries me, and I've been thinking a lot about how to best help there. If a new community is rebuilding this wiki, then it's not right that those who have left continue to try and control it.

    For example, the decision about fanon was made by the departing community, and it may not be the right thing for this wiki's future So the active community will need to revisit that decision, and work out whether it's the right direction for them. It might be that a clearer distinction between canon and fanon is all that's needed, or it might be better to move all the fanon to the existing fanon wiki, and take this one back to pure canon. Either way, that should be a choice for the active community, and not something dictated by the previous one.

    So what I would ask of the current admins is to consider whether you are truly going to be a part of this wiki's current community. By that I mean, can you honestly and fully say that you want this wiki to be the biggest, best, most accurate, and most popular wiki on this topic? If you can't say that, then it's time for you to move aside for the next generation.

    And to that next generation, what do you want from your wiki? What are the key things that you want to work on here, and what will help you? Let's talk about it :)

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    • Mr. Anon
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    • We have a bunch of troll accounts here that I would love to get removed (most posted above expect for that one SmashWiki guy). I think a chat would also really work and thanks for adding the fourms and message wall. I have a new logo and background that would be perfect plus some red color wouldn't hurt. I also think the fanon should be moved to a pure fanon site like Super Smash Bros. Fanon. We could also use some editing of the header bar, new chat mods, new admins and buro's, removing spam pages, etc. I think me and Dark Oni Link would be good admins since we both want to fix up this wiki and protect it from vandals. Dark Oni Link is trying to help protect this wiki and I am already trying to fix it up. I think adding us as admins could help along with moving the voting for admin page to fourms so more people could know about it (as we could highlight it).

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    • Also I think a new fourm poll once the trolls are gone should be posted about the fanon leaving.

      I've also started a Japanese Smash wiki due to the fact there was none and the games where made and are very popular in Japan.

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    • All good suggestions Ultraman :)

      I haven't turned on message wall yet, but I definitely think it's will be a good addition. I think the best thing is for us to see how this thread goes, and what other separate discussions we need. I'll check in tomorrow to see what other comments there are, hopefully Dark Oni Link and others will add their thoughts too.

      I3rian3, JamesHeart123 and Brandonddorf9999 (and anyone else this applies to) if you prefer the other wiki that's just fine. But please keep your focus on that and leave this one alone. I will ban if I feel you are being disruptive to this wiki.

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    • I other think a nice idea for this wiki once we get some new admins is to edit the promote page and hopefully get approved and get this wiki onto the main page for promoting.

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    • TheUltraman
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    • First of all we need to get rid of the trolls, and filter all members that did/do significant contributions to the Wikia to stop this silly fight for power. I really love this place and how resourceful it is compared to ssbwiki.com (which is really outdated and lacks organization), and would be nice to see a Wikia where all members/admins/whatever are friendly to each other.

      I'd love to help rebuild this place however I can, being Admin or not. You can count on me. Once we get past the technical details and start implementing better stuff (such as a better layout, possibly based on the current Smash Bros. Official page), we'll be back on our feet and make this place shine. =D

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    • I agree with you Bingbangpoe. What this wiki really needs right now is to block these trolls and new admins to help keep them at bay and protect our pages.

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    • Well, it's been a while since I last accessed ssbwiki.com, but I remember trying to find information about Olimar's detailed gameplay there, and his page was pretty messed up in format, spelling and information. When I compared the information there with the information here, I found the one here better. I apologize for any concept of "trolling" you may have interpreted from my previous statement.

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    • On second thoughts, I'm going to block them all now. I've just done some digging, and see that JamesHeart has several other accounts, some of which have been used for malicious edits on this wiki; I3rian is Dr. Pain 99, who has caused fork-related problems here in the past; and Brandonddorf9999 is Aircony, who has also been banned for vandalism.

      Actually, the trolling here would be enough for me to ban, but having found these issues I think enough is enough.

      Gentlemen, I'll be banning all of your accounts that I see. If you have a primary account that you would like unbanned at some point, please contact us (obviously that won't happen straight away though)

      I will also clean up this thread, to allow real discussion.

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    • Thank You!

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    • Why are you calling the other wiki outdated when you don't even have articles on EVO 2013 and SKTAR 2, the two biggest tournaments in the past few months? Look those up if you don't know what they are. And the Olimar article on the other wiki is in much more detailed than the article here, and the only main difference is that the order of everything is changed. And the Pikmin attributes aren't listed in bullet points because in reality, their differences are much more complicated than just having bullet points. The Wikia article even has pictures of Rock Pikmin and Flying Pikmin when they didn't even exist before Brawl's release. So if you're going to call ssbwiki unorganized, the wikia certainly isn't better.

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    • Is there anything i can do to help out on the wiki?

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    • Try to help fix up some of our Stubs and help fight any trolls. Also if you have any pages you want to add that arn't already here you can do that.

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    • I know exactly how to track trolls and get rid of them from experience.

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    • Few things before I leave for musical things.

      1. Don't criticize SSB Wiki without actually looking at the site. 2. The fanon decision is what keeps Smash Wikia different from SSB Wiki. The loss of the main community hinders Smash Wikia greatly, so if you want users to even come here, give them more reasons to come. 3. If any of you guys think about plagiarizing SSB Wiki, don't consider editing.

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    • I thought I'd share my thoughts on this, so here:

      Ok, so obviously I've never been on-board with some of the decisions Wikia has made. But why keep this wiki alive? It just seems completely redundant, since, as was pointed out, there's already one that provides plenty of info, has more people looking after it, and has better-quality articles as a result. What, then, would the benefit of reviving this wiki be? I'd honestly like to know.

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    • If you had closed this site when 100% of the community vacated, and let a fresh community open a new one, you wouldn't have this problem.

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    • Please fix the Brawl to a newer and better version of it please?! And any detail you need on the star fox characters that I can somehow make them believe and/or try observed to see if the are better than what the infromation is telling them, Let me know.

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    • Megatron: If you feel that having fanon is a benefit to a wiki, then I'm sure that's something you can introduce on SSB.

      On "plagiarizing", that's not a problem - there are just two things that both wikis need to remember. Firstly, that facts cannot be copyrighted, so it's fine to research on any site to get good information. And secondly, that both wikis use a free license, copying is not plagiarism as long as the license conditions are observed.

      Starman: I'd point you towards Wikia communities like Halo, and Fallout. Both of which forked, and now have new and successful communities. Closing those would have prevented those people, who have chosen to use Wikia, from reviving and developing the great wikis they now have. This wiki now belongs to the new community, and the only problem is if those who have moved choose to try and disrupt it (which is obviously happening)

      Toomai: that would really have been redundant, there is no need to try and re-do the past. I'll say it again: you have the right to fork, you do not have the right to control the wiki you have chosen to leave.

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    • How the hell would that be "redundant"? If anything, that would be less redundant because then you don't have two almost identical Wikis running around, which is the epitome of redundant. The authors of the Wiki should have the right to say what they want for their Wiki, including hosting. So right now we have one Wiki that was written and moved hosting by the authors of the wiki and one that was maintained simply because Wikia wants ad revenue. If you really cared about creating new and successful communities, you would encourage new users to start from scratch to create a healthy new wiki that is different from and could compete with the wiki that moved. Also, now you're saying that plagiarizing isn't a problem? What the hell drugs are you on? Do you have no moral standard at all? Beyond being just plain wrong, it is also, ironically, redundant. So if you want to start talking about redundancy, re-think everything in your last post.

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    • Puppy/Dr. Pain 99, I understand your perspective is different, but I maintain that creating a new wiki from scratch would have been a redundant effort.

      Of the more than 6500 past authors of this wiki, some decided to copy the wiki to a new host and edit there - as is their right under the license. Later authors have as much legitimacy and as much right to continue this wiki as those who started it. Just as you had when you joined the 3 year old wiki back in 2009.

      And to clarify my comments on plagiarism: the same license that gave you the right to take a copy of this wiki (including contributions of people not involved in the fork - for example those who had already left before that) also gives anyone the right to use that content (under certain conditions). I'm not saying this wiki will copy any pages, personally I would prefer that they didn't. I'm just pointing out that it is not plagiarism to reuse content that's under a free license. I think it's important that everyone understand the full implications of the license.

      I'm wondering whether to block your account now. You have been vandalizing and disrupting this wiki (again) under various accounts - frankly, I don't think you are in any position to talk about moral standards! So how about this: I will block this account on this wiki only, leaving you able to discuss anything you want to with me via my message wall on Central. It's been almost three years, it really is time for you to move on.

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    • Toomai has not left this wiki; he checks it several times a day and blocks vandals and deletes pages when necessary.

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    • Stop calling it a fork when it has only one functional prong.

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    • Man I dragged myself out of the woodwork for this discussion; it's been a while since I cared enough to log in (which I had to to read this, of course, since literally 70% of the page is ads otherwise - yeah real smart for getting people to be interested in your actual content).

      The fact is, this wiki's a ghost town. Way back when I first showed up here I thought I would be capable of bringing it back to respectability, and I lost interest quickly because all the people who cared had left - and by "people who cared", I don't just mean the Wikia users who care, but all the members of the greater Smash Bros. community. Like it or not, people like Toomai and OmegaTyrant control all the intelligent information and data; once they've chosen a preferred wiki, that will be the winner regardless of what you try to bring to the table (and I suspect they'd have a hissy fit if you tried to steal their info and/or their templates for presenting it). And guess what, all you bring to the table are ridiculous ads and features that actively damage the ability for skilled users to improve the wiki, and instead just help newbies communicate like a social network, which I believe is contrary to our mission statement (wiki first, social last).

      Frankly I think the only reason the old crowd hangs around is because they're waiting to get the www.smashwiki.com domain back. I bet if you sold it to them they'd stop badgering you.

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    • I think those last two messages perfectly sum up the problem here [Edit: this is referring to the messages by TheSMASHFan and Toomai]. Several of those who moved to the other wiki haven't "left", they maintain a minimal presence. But at the same time their focus and passion is with the new wiki, they consider this one dead and pointless.

      So the question becomes, why are they here? In some cases, it's clear - to disrupt and damage this wiki. But for others, in particular those with admin rights, it's more subtle. One possibility is a feeling of stewardship or responsibility for the old wiki. The other is a deliberate strategy to suppress this wiki and prevent its recovery.

      In either case, now is the right time for this wiki to start on its own path, without the previous community trying to control or influence what happens here. Stewardship from the past community is no longer required, and deliberate sabotage won't be tolerated.

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    • I am here so that utterly ridiculous vandalism doesn't damage the reputation of either wiki. I only visit for a few minutes every few days though, which is why vandalism still exists.

      I'm not stupid enough to actively sabotage this wiki; that would put a serious dent into Wikia staff's opinion of me, which would in turn damage my reputation on other wikias I staff such as the Banjo-Kazooie one. In addition, having this wiki as competition would spur the exodus'd SmashWiki to do even better. That's mostly why I suggested the drastic name change those years ago; the similarity in naming is probably hurting perception and recognition of both wikis.

      That said, Mr. Glidder brings up a very good point. Wikia originally bought the original SmashWiki off SmashBoards, which included the "www.smashwiki.com" domain, and merged it with the "Super Smash Bros. Wiki" that had been created here. The "www.smashwiki.com" domain has been sitting as a redirect ever since. When the exodus occured, the domain remained while the SmashBoards users moved, and now many old links on SmashBoards point to this..."dysfunctional" wikia (for lack of a better term). Even now, SmashBoards users have to tell the newbies "no, the wiki we want to associate with is over here".

      I am willing to pay $$$ or even $$$$ to get the "www.smashwiki.com" domain from Wikia, and that doesn't count the results of any donation drive SmashWiki may choose to run. In return, I'll make an executive order on SmashWiki for users to stop coming here for vandalism/defamation/etc purposes and take it upon myself to block any such offenders on both wikis. I don't have the time to actively improve both wikis, but I don't want to let our guys get away with ruining your guys' work.

      PS: If you're going to use whatever this "thread" feature is, fix it. Every time I hit "undo" it corrupts the whole sentence.

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    • I oppose the removal of fanon from this wiki. While users from the other SmashWiki may not edit here much, we visit often and still patroll to deal with vandalism. Editors here (most of which were not part of the NIWA wiki) worked hard to develop a fanonspace, and as a result we are working towards a comprehensive database of both smash fanon and canon. I feel it to be insulting to the work of the many who contributed here to improve fanonspace to simply purge a great deal of this wiki's coverage.

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    • I think the large issue here has to do with the concept of forking and wiki "control".

      Many of the "past" users have stayed back to serve as janitorial sysops, and until a large enough community forms to require additional users with administrator powers, there is no reason to hand such powers to the most active user of the particular week (an example would be the user Conker's Bad Fur day, who was active for a few months but has long since abandoned this wiki). If anything, our desire to keep "control" over this wiki is for the benefit of any future community; if we were to simply abandon the place you would have chaos, few active users, and the trusting of admin powers in the wrong area.

      The proposal to turn this wiki into a fanon one was intended to expand the community here, and give incentive for new users to arrive and contribute additional information. While that has happened to a large degree, the problem is that most of those users did not stay at this wiki long enough to be truly part of any "community". In recent months, we have further tried to assist this wiki in finding a potential community by offering up a poll to change the wiki's name. While a majority of users favored a name change, Wikia does not seem to have followed this up, and likely this has contributed to much of the frustration above.

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    • Mr. Glidder: As I said, I've seen revivals happen on other wikis after forks. You choose where to edit, and others can do the same. Given the space to do so, without maliciousness from past members of this wiki, each of the sites will grow or not on its own merits. I'm happy to see how that works out, are you?

      Toomai: I gave two possible motivations, it's good to hear that yours are the honorable ones. Thank you for that.

      You are welcome to contact us to discuss the domain name. My guess is that we won't be interested in selling it, but that isn't my decision.

      However, whether we are or not, I would not agree to you denouncing vandalism and disruption as a condition of a domain transfer. That feels way too much like saying "I'll say this is wrong and has to stop, but only if you do what I want you to".

      Mr. Anon: I acknowledge your comments on Fanon, I see that as a discussion for the future (although hopefully the near future).

      I think you are exactly right about this being about the concept of forking, and of who should control the old version of the content after a fork/move/migration/schism/whatever. And that's something that I don't think we can fix here. Looking back at old conversations, we have been over this same ground before. Those that left feel that the community active at the time the new site was created are the proper "inheritors" of the site (if that's a fair word) and should be able to close the old site behind them when they choose to move elsewhere. I (and others at Wikia) believe that some or all of a community moves; the wiki remains. And that the wiki belongs to, and should be controlled by, the future community of this wiki

      These are very strong differences in philosophy and it's not easy to see a way they can be reconciled. I want to respect your point of view (which is why I'm talking to you here) but also need you to respect this wiki's right to move forward.

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    • Oh I absolutely support the idea of this wiki moving forward, but my point is that clearly the wiki needs something more in order for a community to sprout. So far, the "old" admins have mainly restricted themselves to janitorial work, and most of this wiki's activity is by non-NIWA users. However, this has clearly failed to create any sort of "community" like one that existed prior to the split.

      For this reason, my most urgent request is to move forward on the name change proposal that most of the userbase here has agreed to (both Wikia and NIWA). Currently, the most favored name change is SmashPedia. If we are to make this a separate wiki from the NIWA one, it needs to be truly separate and not simply have a rehashed name.

      I thank you for your response and urge consideration of the name change that the userbase has requested.

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    • Sorry I didn't manage to get back to this today. I'm mostly away over the weekend, so will reply to the latest as soon as I can next week. Thanks

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    • No problem, I think indeed that there's no need to hurry when considering large-scale decisions that will shape the future of this wiki.

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    • Mr. Anon wrote: So far, the "old" admins have mainly restricted themselves to janitorial work, and most of this wiki's activity is by non-NIWA users. However, this has clearly failed to create any sort of "community" like one that existed prior to the split.

      Yes, I agree this wiki has had trouble coming together as a community since the split. But my belief is that this is not despite the work of the admins, but because of it. That's not to say that's their intentions are not good (as I said above, I accept that they are) they have done what they can to keep the wiki maintained. But it is the result of having a wiki still controlled by people who have effectively left it.

      This wiki needs a new chance. And for that it needs a new start. There is a nascent community growing here, and unless they have a chance to develop this wiki in the direction they think it should go, it will always remain frozen in the past.

      I've been thinking a lot about this over the weekend, and what it comes down to is that it's time for this wiki to start on a new path, and for there to be a cleaner split between this site and ssbwiki.com

      A name change seems to be a key issue for many commenting here. I'm very dubious about the benefits to this wiki of a name change, and don't agree that those who are primarily focused on the fork should be the people to decide this (and the new community isn't ready to yet). So as an interim compromise, I suggest we change this to "Smash Wikia". That will give some distinction between the two, and make it clear that the two wikis are not connected

      I'll also ask our Community Development team to create a new theme and logo for the wiki, based on that name. The new community will be able to change that in the future of course (and let me know if they don't like it now, and we'll try again!)

      And finally, and most controversially, I'm going to intervene way more than Wikia usually does and introduce a complete management change. But that, I mean I am going to remove the rights of the current admins, and start moving towards the new community having admins of their own.

      I know this is a big step, but I think it is necessary. Whether it will work, will depend largely on whether the previous community is able to take a step away and leave this wiki to develop it's own future (good or bad) as well as whether the new community can step up.

      To the "oldbies": There are two groups of you. Those that have been here to disrupt this wiki, and those who have been here to maintain the "remnants" of the wiki you left.

      Dr. Pain and friends, I'm asking you to back away and concentrate on positive competition. Go and make your wiki as good as you can. Work to surpass this wiki in any way you can, by building your community and content, and taking that wiki in new directions. All those are positive ways of trying to make your wiki the primary resource for Super Smash Bros. But please don't try to surpass this wiki by underhanded vandalism and disruption.

      To the departing admins: Thank you for your stewardship. I ask now that you let this wiki go its own way - even if that way seems wrong to you. If the future community of this wiki decides to add a picture of Hello Kitty to every page, that is no longer something you need to worry about. Please let go, and let everyone move on.

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    • I like the name Smashpedia better as Smash Wikia sounds too close to their SmashWiki. Smashpedia gives it more of an fresh feel and like Mr. Anon said a lot of people seemed to have liked it (even if a lot are from the old community).

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    • I am not going to "back away" if you remove the rights of the current admins. If you're going to bitch about the community, let the community decide who the admins are going to be, not you. And I agree with the Ultraman.

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    • TheUltraman: I'd like to deal with that separately, once things are settled :)

      Dr. Pain: What understand from what you are saying, is that you are going to continue to vandalize and disrupt this wiki. I'm sorry to hear that.

      Yes, the community will choose who the admins are going to be. However, that means the new community of people dedicated to growing and developing this wiki.

      And, it goes without saying, that "the community" does not include banned vandals.

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    • Sannse wrote: Yes, I agree this wiki has had trouble coming together as a community since the split. But my belief is that this is not despite the work of the admins, but because of it. That's not to say that's their intentions are not good (as I said above, I accept that they are) they have done what they can to keep the wiki maintained. But it is the result of having a wiki still controlled by people who have effectively left it.

      Would you mind explaining how that is the case? As noted, we have gone to great lengths in order to allow for a new community to form. Could you point out specific actions you believe are inhibiting a new community?

      This wiki needs a new chance. And for that it needs a new start. There is a nascent community growing here, and unless they have a chance to develop this wiki in the direction they think it should go, it will always remain frozen in the past.

      In what ways do you believe the existing community has not been given a chance to develop this wiki in their intended direction?

      I've been thinking a lot about this over the weekend, and what it comes down to is that it's time for this wiki to start on a new path, and for there to be a cleaner split between this site and ssbwiki.com

      A name change seems to be a key issue for many commenting here. I'm very dubious about the benefits to this wiki of a name change, and don't agree that those who are primarily focused on the fork should be the people to decide this (and the new community isn't ready to yet). So as an interim compromise, I suggest we change this to "Smash Wikia". That will give some distinction between the two, and make it clear that the two wikis are not connected

      Could you explain why you are opposed to the name change the community has selected? As you can see, "SmashPedia" is a name popular with both old and new users. You say that the current community is not ready to decide this, but with all due respect what makes you able to decide that?

      I'll also ask our Community Development team to create a new theme and logo for the wiki, based on that name. The new community will be able to change that in the future of course (and let me know if they don't like it now, and we'll try again!)

      Unfortunately, the name "Smash Wikia" itself has been the name of this wiki for some time, and the vast majority of the community has expressed a desire to change that name. At what point do you feel it appropriate to change the name?

      And finally, and most controversially, I'm going to intervene way more than Wikia usually does and introduce a complete management change. But that, I mean I am going to remove the rights of the current admins, and start moving towards the new community having admins of their own.

      If your goal is to improve the autonomy of the current community, shouldn't admin priviledges be decided by the community itself? I feel that Wikia stepping in in such a manner will only further erode the autonomy of the userbase.

      I know this is a big step, but I think it is necessary. Whether it will work, will depend largely on whether the previous community is able to take a step away and leave this wiki to develop it's own future (good or bad) as well as whether the new community can step up.

      Needless to say, I disagree with this action. Overall, you seem to be making too major points: that this wiki has a large enough unique community to warrant a full seperation, but also that this wiki's community is too small and "weak" to be able to make decisions on this scale on their own accord. While Ultraman and Oni Dark Link (users that can safely be considered part of "this" community) have expressed a desire for new admins, one that I can fully respect, I see no desire on their part for a complete overhaul of the adminship.

      Overall, I hope you consider my response and address my major questions over your actions. Thank you.

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    • For the purposes of detecting and squashing plagarism and cross-wiki vandalism in either direction, I would like to retain my admin/bcrat powers.

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    • Something I've been thinking: would it be possible to institute a separate group of user rights for the "old guard" of admins who still wish to combat vandalism/trolling/plagiarism? Say, a group that has block, delete, protect, and rollback rights, but not the full rights of an administrator? That way, they wouldn't have full access to the site, but would still be able to do what they have been doing.

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    • @Oscuritaforze - Block, delete, protect, and rollback rights are all the things a regular administrator gets; the "full rights" you're thinking of, as in promoting and demoting, go to bureaucrats.

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    • It would be a problem if someone decided to put a picture of Hello Kitty on every page, because this is not Hello Kitty Wiki and that would be vandalism, which the admins must clean up.

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    • Starman — Having them be admins without being bureaucrats could work as well, but I was thinking more along the lines of the difference between (using the Creepypasta wiki as an example, as they have a user group like the one I was talking about) VCROC and an administrator. Normally, I think putting in a request with staff is required for a custom user group, but I doubt that would be a problem if staff is going to be involved in the wiki more heavily than usual anyway.

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    • It needs more update and right info's! So every fighter are known to their full potential! Fox,Sonic,and one other fighter does not have a lot info's to be known of their true skills!

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    • Mr Anon: I feel I have already covered this ground, and more discussion is just getting us into an endless cycle of questions

      As I've said, having admins who are not dedicated to making this wiki the biggest and best online, is harmful and prevents its recovery and the development of a new community. I can give one easy example of how the current community has not had the chance to develop this wiki as they choose: with this comment.

      On the name change: again, I have said this. Any name change should be decided by the current community, not those who forked, and so should be discussed once that community is established and no longer directed by either the past admins or the current trolls (at least one of whom voted for “Smashpedia”).

      The current community is perfectly capable of doing everything that's needed for this wiki to revive – but not when they are handicapped by the past. It's my job to help them over that stage, and ensure that their decisions are their decisions.

      Toomai: as with any other site outside Wikia, you are welcome to contact us if you have any issues with the content on Wikia.

      Oscuritaforze: It's a good thought, but that would still hold back the current community rather than allowing them to move forward and develop this wiki.

      TheSMASHFan: That was an exaggeration to make the point :) The point being that it's no longer the decision of the past community. It's time for the new community to decide how to make sure this is the best Super Smash Bros wiki online.

      And that's the key message here. We could talk about it forever but, right now, this is how it is. As I've said a few times now, if your main focus is ssbwiki, then this wiki is no longer your concern.

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    • Very well. I have sent my request to discuss buying the "www.smashwiki.com" domain and will almost certainly stop visiting here once I obtain it.

      But know that the die has been cast, and the war has only just begun. I won't lay a finger on this wikia to damage it, because I don't need to. I just need to continue being one of SmashWiki's top contributors, providing data that no one else in the world knows how to obtain. You say you want this wikia to be the best Smash Bros. wiki online? I will see to it that it's not going to happen in the next hundred years.

      Your challenge is to beat me. Good luck.

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    • I should say I am somewhat disappointed with the (largely lack of) responses given. That said, I respect the decisions made and wish the best of luck for the new community. That said, I make this my official departure from this site, and intend to only edit here upon notices on my user talk page.

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    • Toomai: that is a fair challenge, definitely one I can respect.

      And thank you both for taking that route rather than the one of actively damaging this wiki.

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