Talk: Knee Smash

"Inherent masculinity"?! This is supposed to be an encyclopedia entry? Unless Captain Falcon's knee is really a penis, why is this even in the article?--Toddcam 21:11, August 15, 2007 (EDT)

I understand that Captain Falcon is a very popular character, and his knee was his most most famed aspect, but why do we need an article for one character's forward aerial? How come no other character has an entire article for their forward air, just specials?

I don't believe this article is needed. 9:00, March 12, 2009 (EDT)

Perhaps it needs a redirect and a section on CF's page. However, it was in both Melee and Brawl. - Gargomon251 (talk) 17:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. My page about Ness's side smash was deleted so this one should be too. It's not a special attack. 98.117.158.220 18:52, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Deletion

Before we delete it, does ANYONE have an opinion? 98.117.158.220 19:13, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

It might not be a Special Move, but it's definitely notable - it's one of the things that makes Captain Falcon so good in Melee, and its nerf is one of the things that makes him so bad in Brawl. Another fact to take into consideration is that the move has gained considerable notoriety in the Smash community. The information is also presented well this way, and it'd be difficult to describe the move in this much detail in the Captain Falcon (SSBM) or Captain Falcon (SSBB) articles. I say keep it. PenguinofDeath 20:53, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

So is Ness's side smash, but that article was deleted. In fact, his side smash can actually reflect projectiles, and that is one of his signiture moves also.

PS: PoD, it seems that we've gotten off on the wrong foot. I don't want to get in another argument with you. 98.117.158.220 21:25, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

No, don't keep it. Smashes and aerial attacks, such as G&W's B-air's been named the "turtle" by some. It's annoying, because of its high priority and slicing-turtle sound effect, etc, yet we don't have an article on it. Why? Because it isn't so much of an internet meme as "the knee". Internet memes go in the trivia section; they don't deserve an entire page dedicated to them. This is a rather large case of a meme, only because a large amount of it isn't actually needed. We have unneeded detail on Ganon's f-air, a reminder of priority in midair, as well as a reminder of what a short-time sweetspot is. That leaves us with a paragraph that can be explained in a trivia section. In conclusion, delete it. By the way, outside of my deletion argument, why does it say that the Knee is used at the end of his combos, whereas the next two paragraphs say that you can combo into other attacks from the Knee? Makes no sense..... R A N1 21:36, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Who are you saying no to? 98.117.158.220 22:48, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I meant it to PoD, but when I tried to save it, I got an edit conflict and ended up placing it after your comment. I forgot to leave a note there when I copied it over there, so I've left one now. Pardon me; I didn't want to cause any trouble. R A N1 22:58, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

You know, I'm still confused... Why are you saying "no" to me? And why did you say it in bold? :/

Also, it's not just that it's a meme. The reason why we have a page on every Special Move isn't because of some innate characteristic that they and no other types of moves possess - it's because there's enough to say about them to merit a page. Read the Knee Smash article again, and tell me that it's lacking in information, then ask for it to be deleted. I think it's a good page with lots of useful information on it, so I think it should stay. PenguinofDeath 23:15, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Keep. Explicitly named in a trophy description earns notability for me. I'd even make Lightning Kick an article for the same reason. Miles (talk) 23:13, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Well, given Miles' point above, I think I'll change my opinion on this, but I'll have to think about this harder later. Too much homework. On a ~~more ironic~~ less serious note: PoD, why did you bold "keep"? And why would I say no to that if I was opposing it? :s R A N1 23:26, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

That's not really sarcasm, as such... Anyways, I said "keep" (as did Miles) because that's how you do things like this. You say "keep" or "delete" at some point in the comment. It's so that people can quickly see where you stand on the matter. Support and Oppose section make discussion difficult, which is why we use this system instead. Also, I don't get that last sentence of yours - please explain. PenguinofDeath 23:47, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, since you did not get the point there: I was using irony in that last sentence, PoD, because I was thinking you would infer from "why did you bold 'keep'?" that I was being sarcastic. From there, I then said "And why would I say no to that if I was opposing it?", which was based on the fact that I revised my last comment to say "No (to PoD)"; as in "do not keep it". As for the "Oppose" comment: I don't believe that was necessary. It was already discussed on the IRC, and did not need more explanation as to why this system is used. Anyways, I've changed the comment to read more clearly now. Sorry for the confusion. R A N1 01:13, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Isn't Ness's bat also mentioned in a trophy? 98.117.158.220 23:42, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Well, even if it is, it's really nothing big to write about when compared to K.S.'s memetic and insane power properties. Also, how big would the article be in the first place? A sentence or two and a picture of the trophy of where it's mentioned would seem like a stub that won't grow anytime soon. Havoc Reaper48 >:D!!! 19:55, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

We could write more than that. I actually had an article on this that was fairly long but it got deleted. We have two solutions: Delete this article, or keep it and add other notable attacks like Ness's side smash. I'm now more for number two. The reason why I made the article for Ness's side smash is because I saw this article. 98.117.158.220 01:08, November 24, 2009 (UTC)