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I put Kirby and Ike on the list because they still retain the hitbox after their up-b. Why was it deleted? A1lion835 (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)A1lion835

Because they don't go Helpless. They retain their hitbox, it's totally different. - Gargomon251 (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

why are you deleting Thunder from the list?? Majorabrawl (talk) 04:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thunder doesn't cause Helpless. - Gargomon251 (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Quote from article: "While helpless, characters cannot perform any action except fast-falling."

I believe Kirby and Ike can perform actions other than fast falling (AKA spiking, dealing damage). That would mean they do not go into a fully helpless state. A1lion835 (talk) 22:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)A1lion835

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