Good call on the re-align, MaskedMarth. My resolution doesn't seem to suffer the problem you were describing, but it really just looks better on the right anyway. *thumbs up* -- Randall00 22:49, February 13, 2007 (GMT)

Haha, thanks, and good job on the whole article! MaskedMarth (t c) 02:31, February 14, 2007 (GMT)

Merge with Matchup

This belongs on the Matchup article. 03:03, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


Is this going to be redesigned to match the other two? Miles (talk) 21:06, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

That's the plan currently. But before that, I'd like to ask if anyone can provide a newer version - from what the article says, it's badly outdated. I'll fix it up soon in either case, but of course it'd be better if I didn't do it and have to redo it. Toomai Glittershine Toomai The Table Designer 22:50, March 5, 2010 (UTC)


I always assumed that this wiki was primarily American and I've seen "color" as opposed to "colour" often enough so what's with favour? Food for thought.highway 20px pumpy 02:09, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I made the stuff, and I'm Canadian, so there's your reason as to why it's as such. We don't have any "American speeling" rule, so I just type it how it is. Of course, someone can change it, but it'll get changed back for consistency if he doesn't change very single one. Toomai Glittershine Toomai The Stats Guy 02:51, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
I could change it if necessary, but I'll just leave it as is right now as it's not really doing anything.highway 20px pumpy 13:24, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Mewtwo's matchup on bowser

Perhaps this is not the right place, but there is no way Mewtwo's matchup with Bowser is 50:50. Mewtwo has a chaingrab on Bowser, and he can chain him up to %100. From there, a simple back throw will KO Bowser. I'd say Mewtwo has at least a 60:40 matchup against Bowser. Please move this to the right place if this doesn't belong here. Mr. Anon (talk) 05:58, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

This is the stuff you talk about in forums, but I'll respond to your comment anyways. I believe you are underestimating Bowser. First off, Mewtwo can not chain throw Bowser any where close to 100%, the down throw is too strong to be able to chain throw for that long. Secondly, the up throw would be a much more effective finisher on Bowser as he is not a fast faller. Now Bowser has some good attacks in his arsenal. Bowser's fair, usually considered his best attack in Melee, is much better than any of Mewtwo's aerials, and Mewtwo does not have a proper way to deal with it. Bowser also has the Whirling Fortress, his other great attack. It has only 5 frames of start up, along with very high base knockback. It does have low knockback scaling, but considering Mewtwo is so light and floaty, Mewtwo is going to be KOd by it once he has reached the 100% mark. While there is much more that goes into a matchup than this, you provided a simple reason as will I. The point is that Bowser's fair and Whirling Fortress are going to make a bigger impact on this matchup than Mewtwo's throws. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS 13:51, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Um, Mewtwo can chain bowser to %100. I tried this on a level 9 CPU and it did not break free until 106%. Rather than doing the last D throw, anyone could simply use the Back or Up throw to finish Bowser, making it a Zero Death Combo. Mewtwo can also do this chain throw to other fast fallers, and this is why I think his tier position should be higher. Mr. Anon (talk) 16:30, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
The fact that you did it on a cpu doesn't make it a 0-death chain throw. Actually do it against a competent human player. I've played Melee for years and I know for a fact that Mewtwo cannot chain throw anyone beyond 100%. Omega Tyrant TyranitarMS 16:33, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Its About Time The Matchups Change

Okay. I'm seriously saying that these matchups are significantly outdated. They need to be changed. Does someone here agree? ZeldasmashLinkHead 14:10, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

ZS. Understand this. WE ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF THAT. The back room does this stuff, so unless they update it, we can't do anything about it.--MegaTron1XDD 14:12, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
I think he may be referring to the order the characters appear as in relation to their position on the tier list. However ZS, we're in the middle of an important move and changing their order to match the current tier list is a tedious ans unimportant task that has to wait for now. Omega TyrantTyranitarMS 21:20, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Marth Average Matchup Error

Marth's average matchup is 65.6 against the cast (65 rounded), but the casts's average matchup against marth is 34.4 (35 rounded). the chart states the average matchup against marth is 30. i feel like this should be fixed for clarity.

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