This is (for the most part) the most recognized tier list, created by the Smash community. Rosalina is the #1 spot. Rosalina is a very difficult character to learn, but absolutely devastating to opponents once you master her.
we'll tryed using rosalina again she is alright although extremely hard to master and just ended running away most of the time
plus here final smash is awful it doesn't smash anyone away and the fighters still hit me even if I am under it
To be fair, Final Smashes aren't used at all in competitive play, so that part doesn't even matter if we're talking tier lists.
Luma is extremely obnoxious. He gets in the way, he can easily disrupt you, and he is also very mobile once you get good at controlling him. Even on her own, Rosalina seems to be a relatively solid character, though she'd be nowhere near as impressive without her little star buddy.
In competitive matches, items, final smashes, and custom moves are all turned off, as well as stages with hazards or things like that in them. Competitive matches typically want to show a totally fair battle without outside influence like these things.
Wait, so what you're saying is that you are completely unfamiliar with competitive Super Smash Bros.?
And no, they aren't boring. It's skill-based, not luck-based. You aren't going to win because you randomly get the Gust Bellows. You have to bring out the full potential of your character. The stages are also meant to be fair. Hazards and walk-offs are almost always banned, aside from a few exceptions.
Right now, Bowser Jr. isn't huge in competitive play. Any old Diddy Kong user would probably beat him, most likely. I'm training with him, and I hope other people get better so he can actually win a grand finals.
He really isn't. Sure, you can throw out Mechakoopas and shoot your cannon, but that's about the gist of it. The Mechakoopas are easy to shield or even pick up. The cannon is slow and laggy, leaving you wide open for a punish.
Diddy Kong can just as easily overwhelm you with down throw up airs as he does most characters. Please try to not make assumptions unless you fully understand how competitive Smash works.
Understand that many competitive Smash players literally make money from this. They literally dedicate their lives to playing Smash. It's their job. They know every trick in the book. Playing as a powerful character like Diddy Kong, they'd absolutely whoop anybody here.
It's true. It takes a lot of guts to keep using your main when the stakes are high and you know you are being outplayed. I would much rather have them win with who they are using, but if they need the money, I'm fine with them resorting to a top tier/potential top tier character.
uh no it's his up smash and side smash that spam also his side netural and his smash attacks that also spam
I plan to hopefully give a video but here is the basics
1. his up smash is the only up smash that he ain't totally useless after using it he can still swing a hammer around
b.his kart is fast and does reasonable damage
his side smash can easily trap an opponent and does wicked damage
I think you mean his recovery, or up special, not up smash. And no, it's not very good either. If you hit him with a projectile while he is out of the clown kart and near the ledge, he's screwed. Sonic's is far more useful.
His side smash is only good for reading opponents on the ledge. For example, if you see a roll coming, you can easily punish them with it.
Your techniques only work on players who do not understand the basics of shielding, to be honest.
shielding practically blocks every move
sonic is horrible
hitting any fighter with a strong enough projectile will stop them
clown kart is easier to stop but also easier to control
he has the same smash power as rosalina
you haven't mastered him so you don't know how good he is
Okay, to settle this, let's agree that you have a very vague idea of how competitive Smash works.
I'm not trying to be rude, but it's obvious you don't have much of a clue as to how people like Mew2King play. Any one character can be good if you use them properly, but the metagame at the moment is not in favor of Bowser Jr. I'm sorry.
And hey, who am I to judge a character I don't use much. If the strategy works for you, fine. Just know that it won't produce the same results in tournaments. Done.
Yeah but the best character is normaly based off of video's outlining why that characters good so that is why most rosalina say is seen as the best at the moment but it could change if another character is seen with a giant advantage
1. Weakest moves? Since when? He's fast, has useful projectiles, a cheap combo that is for the most part inescapable, and pretty good range.
2. Uh, hello? The key word here is "Melee". We're talking about the Smash 4 tier list, not one gigantic tier list across the series. And it doesn't matter if you saw her win one tournament. She has to do considerably well in many different tournaments to somehow surpass Fox and Falco.
1. oh great you can fire a projectile thats easy to dodge and doesn't go very far
his up speacial takes time to charge and doesn't fly that far
his side speacial allows him to what grab on to a person (that's the only good I see) and his down does what throw a banana on the ground sure he is super fast but also hard to control and weak
smashes are reasonabley easy to dodge so how in gods world is he strong
2. I know where talking about the smash 4 list but on the meele list she isn't first despite her last winnings so I don't think that counts
I might not be a professional smasher, but for comparisons sake B.Jr. is not as agile as compared to those higher up on the tier list for example, when I compare sonic to Jr. sonic's fault is if th character has a good grab,is good in air combat or spams the attack well. all of which is not really bowser jr.'s forte, sorry
no trust me bowser jr can spam like hell seriously out of ALL the other fighters his up smash is the only one that doesn't make him completely useless when his done and his kart is powerful enough and quick enough and can go through enough enemies that he is pretty broken
There are SO many things you are getting incorrect.
1. Again, I think you mean Up Special. In more situations than not, it's useless. And trust me, your opponent will almost NEVER get hit by that hammer if they know what they are doing.
2. The kart is not any better. There are so many options to stop it, and it's only use is for recovering or getting a quick little jump.
3. He is not broken in the slightest. There are a few good things about him, but like I said, the tier list is not in his favor. Want to know an ACTUAL good spammer? Olimar. Or Duck Hunt. Either way, both are doing pretty well right now, unlike Bowser Jr.
You need to stop acting like you know everything. I've been watching tournaments like Apex for years now. I'll admit I'm not quite as good as the players there, but I sure understand what makes a good character. The fact that you think Diddy and Rosalina aren't very great already shows how inexperienced you are.
Again, I'm trying to be as nice about the situation as I can be, but it's hard when you won't listen.
his cart is pretty useless on a large map and his up b is easily the only redeeming quality
yeah I guess the cart is reasonably bad on a big map and becuase custom moves aren't aloud in touraments can't you just reflect all of olimars attacks.
and duck hunt is alright but the can and cowboy are pretty darn useless the can is better if up close
as for stopping the cart mabey there are many ways to stp it but it's pretty fast and it depends on if you have time and seings how it can easily change direction dodgeing is a bit hard
any way bowser jr has strong smash attacks (this time I don't mean speacial) if you can hit and his dash smash is pretty strong and can easily chain multiple
Hate to break it to ya, but Sonic is kicking butt in this game. This guy named Seagull has one a few Xanadu's already. The height is just the same as Bowser Jr.'s, if not even higher, so that is not a very good argument.
we'll have to try him next time I hop on but to me his down doesn't move making him vonurable to projectiles his dash spacial can take him off the edge if you aren't careful and his normal special can be dodged/blocked because it has a start up time
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