Forum:Why isn't Ridley playable?

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Ridley is in Brawl as a boss but he isn't playable, he may be a bit big but Giga Bowser is playable, so why not Ridley, I was SO hoping to play as him, as with millions of people. Dark Overlord 04:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

• I feel your pain. It seemed so obvious that he'd be playable! His battle music, stage: Norfair and the fact that he's Samus arch rival. Plus hes made way more apperances than Zero Suit Samus. Unfair I say! Bonko24 04:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ridley is way more popular then zero suit and all we get is Samus without armor, also I'm FED up about these delays UNLESS the North America version had more characters or better quality gameplay with better texures. Dark Overlord 05:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Because he isn't. That may sound harsh, but I'm certain that answered all of your questions. Its the same reason why Isaac, Krystal, Geno, K. Rool, and so many others weren't playable. At least Ridley's a boss. Isaac is an assist trophy, Krystal makes some random cameo in SSE, K. Rool is only a trophy, and Geno isn't there at all. --Misken67 22:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

ok... he isnt playable because he is too big. your point about giga bowser barely makes sense because giga bowser is a final smash not an actual playable character, so you can only be him for a limited amount of time. to make ridley a normal playable character they would have to shrink him down to normal size and then maybe his final smash would make him big... and maybe even turn him into meta ridley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssnake ssamus (talk • contribs) 21:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

If Olimar works, this is no longer an argument. See also the Melee intro movie. - Gargomon251 02:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

like the other peeps said, its cause hes too big. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdgator29 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

He's huge. [1] Note his comparison to Samus. Samus herself is fairly large for a Super Smash Bros. character, so Ridley would easily be the biggest in the game. Other possible reasons could include that he's never before been playable, ever, although this didn't stop Zelda and Ganondorf from making their way in. Dtm142 01:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Is everyone just going to ignore me? In the Melee intro, he was barely bigger than samus! And how do you explain captain olimar, who is no bigger than a quarter, standing toe to toe with 8-inch high Kirby, not to mention Pikachu... - Gargomon251 01:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Gargomon. If you've played Pikmin you know tiny Olimar is. I recall it took 20 Pikmin to pick up a Duracell battery, so size really isn't an issue with Ridley. Wasn't Charizard also much bigger than he's portrayed in Brawl too? Bonko24 18:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Olimar looks perfectly fine when resized. Ridley would look like some sort of weird baby. He'd have to be the same size. It's an aesthetic thing. Admiral Tobias (talk) 03:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

After reading all this, I can't help but ask, "Why isn't Ridley playable?" we should start a huge campaign to get him in the next Smash game! PeetzaLink 20:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

That would be awesome. Dark Overlord 23:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember where I have seen the following stuff, but I remember a site talking about Brawl said that the character sizes were to be ajusted to make things even. (Example: Olimar is bigger except in Distant Planet, at that place everyone else is sized down.) Learner3 13:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Jigglypuff's final smash pushes everyone, even teammates, away. And Olimar is suppose to be an inch tall. I mean, everyone can be sized down or up. But Ridley is highly unlikely, because he is in no potition to have Special moves, he really doesn't have a move set, no final smash even if it were metal Ridley, he would be Super-Wario again, all powered up, he never touches the ground, he weighs too much, there are just too many problems in having him. Besides, the details are going to be hard with 4 Ridleys. Now, imagine 4 Ridleys in a Match, on Wi-Fi. Nothing could happen. Everything would be slow. Learner3 17:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

dude

it would be unfair for the other players ridley would just shove them off the stage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.241.247.30 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

i mean

hes huge! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.241.247.30 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

hey

unsigned user, or users! let's not start another heading whenever we have to say something. I made that mistake the first time i was commenting on something here. and, if ridley were to be playable, he wouldn't be huge! I'll show what I mean in some crappy diagram of a view of final destination from above.

          RID                                              Cpn
          LY                                               flc

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he would probably be about the size of captain falcon, and could fly like meta knight or pit. his wings would only be open in the air, reducing his size considerably. PeetzaLink 19:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I say he should be at least Bowser-sized. And for special moves, he has that divebomb attack, fire breath, tail scrape, and if they used his Meta form you have missiles and whatnot! Did Egg Roll come from any specific game? No, and it would be easy just to make something up like they did with him. - Gargomon251 04:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

In conclusion Nintendo could have decreased Ridley's size, and he would be larger then Bowser and like Meta Knight use his wings to float just a bit over the ground since he has never used his legs much. He would be able to jump as much as Meta Knight but with larger jumps. his normal moves would be biting and swiping with extreme force. Special moves could be some of the varios projectiles and up B would flying really fast like Super Sonic but limited range. FS could be summoning the space pirates. Dark Overlord 15:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Remember that everyone needs some game balance, Marth is weak (either in damage he can give, or weak in knockback) because his final smash is basically an instant kill, and his basic B move is a shield breaker. Lucario in a way explains himself, attacks have good range, and basic B move is a great killer move, and his damage in ajustant to the range his attacks have makes him a good choise with use of good dodging skills. Now Ridley has his imense size, and he could be under heavy fire, but he must be slow, but basically, think, he would have multible jumps, and a glide, so the only way to KO him is to launch him full force, or to keep him from landing. He is imbalanced. Learner3 16:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You guys are missing my point. I'm not saying he would jump higher than meta knight, or that he couldn't be bowser size, or couldn't be launched easily. he would take damage like everyone else, and go flying (not with his wings) like everyone else. just because he doesn't use his feet much doesn't mean he wouldn't touch the ground, Dark Overlord. you guys are thinking of the bad parts of having him in the game, not the good parts. if you think about it, he would be a balanced character. PeetzaLink 19:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Ridley would not touch the ground, like Mewtwo and his FS would not be Meta Ridley it would be summoning Space Pirates or Kraid. Dark Overlord 17:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Why does he have to summon someone? Didn't he have some sort of superweapon or transformation from later in the series? - Gargomon251 00:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Be nice to see Kraid though right. Dark Overlord 03:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• Sigh* You all must not understand that if Olimar was so small he would be unplayable. Ridley is way too big. If they shrank him to the right size, it would be really out there. I don't think he would be practical as a character. If they did however, and I don't think they should have, his neutral special be would be a chargeable fireball shot, his side special would be something to do with attacking with wings, his down special would be the wind he makes with his wings, and his up special would be somewhat similar to Charizards fly. He would be heavy as bowser and his final smash would be Meta-Ridley just like Giga Bowser. He might be a semi-clone of Bowser. XXXXX 19:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

No Meta Ridley would be another transformation Final Smash, Standerd special would be chargable fireball, side special would be a chargable speed attack(like Ike's side special), down special would be a chargable Tornado like Meta Knight's Mach Tornado but larger, up special would be flying fast like Super Sonic but limited distance of cource. Final Smaah would could be cinimatic like Captain Falcon, Grab nearby foes and smash them into a steel wall flying around while still holding them(like he did to Samus as a boss). Dark Overlord 02:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

And if Ridley was playable, he wouldn't be a boss. Now playable characters are bosses occasionally but in Boss Battles mode which includes Ridley, none of them are playable. And what's wrong with transformation final smashes?XXXXX 16:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Transformation Final Smashes are getting old. Dark Overlord 23:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

its because Sora or HAL who ever saw ridley more as a boss character then a playable one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.66.113 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Woah Woah WOAH! Hold up there. I'm all for Ridley as a playable character, but a semi-clone of Bowser? Absolutely not! Ridley is too cool to be a semi-clone (but then again so is Ganondorf. Sigh....) But still! What's even the point? Maxiscool (talk) 02:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

You know, Ridley wouldn't be the only character with a major size exaggeration. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 02:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

That's been mentioned REPEATEDLY. - Gargomon251 (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Olimar is an exception. The problem is not with absolute size. The problem is, Ridley is huge next to Samus. Because Samus is in, scaling Ridley down would look ridiculous. You just can't scale people from the same game in different ways.–Entrea Sumatae 02:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, it's not even a problem of scale. Think about it this way: how often do you actually see Ridley on the ground? Almost never. Think about the other winged characters who can glide in Brawl: 1) Pit. In Kid Icarus, he spent a lot of time on the groudn before he got the powerup for permanent flight. 2) Charizard. Always has been a Pokemon that was primarily ground-bound, with only occasion flight. 3) Meta Knight. While he spends a lot of time in the air, he still is primarily ground-based. Ridley, however, is almost permanently flying, and that breaks the framework of the Smash series, where the whole game of recovering is based on jumps! This is another reason they would never include any other permanently-flying characters like Balloon Fighter. So the issue is less about scale and more about airtime. Miles.oppenheimer (talk) 15:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Balloon Fighter walks Miles. Anyway, it's an aesthetics choice. Same reason Rayquaza or Spider Mech Porky were'nt playable. They are designed to be bosses and only bosses. I don't want to fight as a chibi Ridley. Plus, even with folded wings, the tail would make for a horribly disconfigured hitbox. Sakurai could make it work, but it wouldn't turn out the way one would hope. Would you want a tiny Ridley who's head can't even see over the bottom platform of Battlefield? It would be terribly embarrassing. I know that he wouldn't look too bad compared to, say, Samus or Bowser, but he'd only be like twice as tall as Pikachu, where normally he could swallow the rodent in one bite.SonicROBTrainer (talk) 00:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Meta-Ridley?

How would you guys feel about MR being playable? He's close to Samus in size,has a wider varity of attacks, has been seen on the ground, and (from my POV) doesn't lend himself to being anyone's clone.(Fossilgojira (talk) 15:05, 16 June 2008 (UTC))

if ridley was playable, that would be a possible final smash.

Too big

RIDLEY IS TOO BIG!! if you scaled him down to samus size he would look pathetic. the whole point of ridley is "the big boss" not "the boss who shrunk" And dark overlord, chargeable mach tornado?!?! that would be the most spammable move ive ever seen. and the up B? super sonic speed? he isnt a fricken jet. and the side special just cant be chargeable, that would make it too powerfull. it should be that tail scrape thing. plus, he wouldnt be a classic smash character. think about it. all the characters are heroes or semi heroes, bowser is a classic. Ridley just doesnt have that. he would either be too powerfull or just plain old suck. Curlyfries (talk) 03:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Meta-ridley has the same problems as ridley, the primary one being (yes, it's true) that he's NOT close to Samus, he's several times as big, which is far too large.–Entrea Sumatae 03:28, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

He wouldn't look to weird if he is shrunk. Look at his picture. he's actually very bony, not bulky like you might have pictured him. sure they would have to change him a little, but he would be fine. Solar flute (talk) sig you could also argue that Bowser is too big. Solar flute (talk) 00:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

In the original Metroid game, Ridley was not much larger than Samus (although this was due to technical limitations). He would have made a plausible playable character in that form, but considering that Smash Bros. already portrays him as huge, I highly doubt that he will become a playable character without a significant change to the game itself. --UberScienceNerd (talk) 00:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)