Forum:Fox: Nerfed, Better, or Same?

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What are your opinions on Fox? Do you believe he's nerfed, better, or the same? - GalaxiaD (talk) 00:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I guess I'll start this off. I believe he's the same. Still good enough to be top tier, but somewhat surpassed by a few people. - GalaxiaD (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

HEY! I do quite fine with Fox....I even beat Oxico's Pit with him. Zmario (talk) 23:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I haven't played Melee to a highly competetive level, but I know that some of Fox's characteristics have been nerfed. His Blaster doesn't cover as much distance and his Reflector no longer has fixed knockback useful for shine combos. His Up Smash, Uair, and Fire Fox don't seem to be nerfed very much.

Fox has improved air speed and his fair gives a floaty effect now, so that helps him. Still, I think his biggest nerf has to be the removal of L-Canceling, because Fox is one of the lightest characters in the game and he can't survive at percentages as high as a lot of characters. Still, spammable air dodging makes up for that some.

I think that Fox as a whole has been nerfed, but not to the extent that a lot of people say. He can still do well against the rest of the cast and has a very good kill move. --TStick (talk) 23:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

He's not nerfed but they took the biggest reason he was number 1 in the latest list,Jump canceling a shine.This provides many combo's to him and infinites but I still say he's been improved a little since he's now better at defense. - Hatake91 (talk) 22:40, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I think Fox was put down a lot for Brawl, but they improved a couple of things about him. -He no longer is outstandingly fast, when you compare him to Sonic and Captain Falcon. -He is not heavy in the air anymore. Though it was rather hard to control him in Melee in the air and make his moves connect, he was much faster and those who could get enough practice could learn to control his speed and do fine with it. Losing it slows him down a lot. -He can't shine-spike. -His recovery in Brawl is not quite as good as it was in Melee, because Fire Fox doesn't go as far. -He only has a couple of dangerous KO'ing moves, mostly upward attacks. The Stale Move Negation makes them weaker. -His Blaster doesn't go as far, and can't be spammed because of Stale-Move Negation. -His Reflector can't spike quite as well as before. But it can be canceled more easily. However, it loses the abilty to reflect after a while if you hold it on due to (you guessed it) Stale-Move Negation. Jje92 (talk) 20:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Um Fox can still shine spike but its just not set knockback(although once your opponent is around 40% it has the same effect)and its still devastating against fast fallers... - Hatake91 (talk) 23:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

For my game, he is absolutely terrible. Not strong, too fast, I dislike him completely. Dexington (talk) 21:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Stale Move Negation has existed in all the installments, so if it didn't slow him down then, it shouldn't slow him down now. I've also found Shine Hovering to be easier, since releasing the move doesn't produce ending lag anymore. There's also this combo I've discovered where you can transition from a short-hopped B-Air into a C-Sticked D-Smash with hardly any lag. It's proving to be quite effective. Though I will say that some moves aren't as good as they were, there are also some moves that have improved. Since they cancel each other out, it makes me believe that Fox is still a top tier character. - GalaxiaD (talk) 00:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

In Melee Fox was my main. I reckon I could've gone pro with fox if I wanted to, but in brawl he feels seriously nerfed. He's not insanely fast, I liked that he fell at 8000mph, and all in all he doesn't feel special anymore. In my opinion he feels weighty and clumsy, same with Shiek as well. I think that Nintendo tried to balance out all the characters with Brawl, and by doing so limited a lot of the best characters' abilities. I now use Olimar or Pit. - Dancing Daggers

I personally believe that Fox was nerfed. But, in non-competitive-just-for-fun battles, I like him better. Maxiscool (talk) 20:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I think he was nerfed, but not much. - Amycats2 (talk) 20:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

He's nerfed a bit, and Falco is buffed. --Tuth (talk) 15:56, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

I Agree. In melée Fox and Falco were both good. In brawl, falco is slightly better, and fox slightly worse. Wolf just sucks. Dr. Pain 99 (talk) 22:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Wolf most certainly doesn't suck. Compared to his size, he has one of the reaches in the game. His attacks are very fast, especially his bair and down smash. Wolf transitions from air to ground among the best. He has good power throughout his entire arsenal. His f-smash and u-smash work very well at racking up damage. His down smash is arguably the best down smash in the game, as it has great KO power for a d-smash, good reach, very low start-up, and even less ending lag. His bair is one of the bairs in the game as it possesses good power, very low start-up and ending lag, and great reach. His d-throw is a powerful semi-spike that can set-up well at low percentages and is a very deadly throw on the edge at high percentages. Wolf is also a good edgeguarder, with his awesome bair and having one of the most reliable meteors in the game in his dair. He does have his problems such as being so vulnerable to chain throws and his poor recovery accuracy, but unless Wolf is fighting someone who can exploit these critical weaknesses, he will be a tough match. Omega Tyrant 00:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I raise my glass to this. In my opinion, Wolf is better than Fox. He's heavier, has a better blaster, has a powerful B-Side spike, and is just more powerful in general. Mr. Anon (talk) 01:21, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Now Wolf isn't necessarily more powerful than Fox. Wolf does have more rounded power but Fox has more explosive power. Fox's u-smash is much stronger than any of Wolf's attacks. Omega Tyrant 01:26, June 9, 2010 (UTC)