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While we're on the discussion of improving the wiki, might I recommend a change in skin. I know that we recently went to the monaco, but I really prefer the wikipedia skin. I think that the wiki is more user friendly and easier on the eyes when viewed on the wikipedia skin. Just thought I'd throw that out there. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 20:55, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 
While we're on the discussion of improving the wiki, might I recommend a change in skin. I know that we recently went to the monaco, but I really prefer the wikipedia skin. I think that the wiki is more user friendly and easier on the eyes when viewed on the wikipedia skin. Just thought I'd throw that out there. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 20:55, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
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:We cannot make the [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css|monobook skin]] our default, but you can set it as a user [[Special:Preferences|preference]]. This is due to [[w:Wikia's New Style]]. Yay for our Wikia overlords! --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[w:c:wow:User:Sky2042|w]]) 02:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

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Wait that mean if we want to nominate someone we just put their username theere?--Fandangox 19:44, November 20, 2007 (EST)

Eh?

Aren't self-nominations a little... selfish? I mean, for one thing, when you can't nominate yourself and other people have to do it for you, you have to have a good rep to get nominated, and thus, it prevents people who aren't much liked by the community from becoming figures of authority. But on top of that, self-nominations just seem a little selfish to me. I myself would rather have someone else who can see I try to contribute as positively as I can nominate me than just nominate myself without knowing what the community thinks of me.

Post your thoughts on this. =/ Teamrocketspy621 20:09, November 20, 2007 (EST)

I agree. The kind of people who I see nominating themselves also happen to be people I'd rather not have as a sysop. Those who actively try to obtain power usually end up being the ones who have that power go to their heads all too quickly. -Thores 21:04, November 20, 2007 (EST)
I also agree. Outlaw self-nominations, for reasons mentioned already. NeonCrusader 22:53, November 20, 2007 (EST)
For what it's worth, this was the kind of response I would have preferred to hear when I posted this in the Pool Room, not here. I don't think self-nominations are an issue because if someone doesn't have community support, that will be obvious from the response to the nomination. You would just need one person to nominate you, and one person does not make a community consensus either--if we're trying to stop abuse, just asking someone to nominate you (or hell, to just fake it) is easy enough. I think that the sysops are capable enough of determining who would or wouldn't make a good sysop based on the community response and their own judgment, rather than relying on nominations from other people. The other major point is that I don't want to have to deal with people nominating others who aren't interested in being a sysop--then some people will have their nomination discussed without being interested in it, and there are enough issues there that aren't worth having to deal with. And even if you accept, if you hadn't really been thinking about it before and decide to accept it, then maybe you really weren't interested to begin with, and you won't be particularly active. In any event, if the process really irks you, ask a couple friends if they'd support you as sysop--if yes, then you have at least as much support as you'd need to get nominated by someone else, so there should be no shame in nominating yourself (since everyone else has to do the same thing). --Kirby King 01:01, November 21, 2007 (EST)
It's worth noting Kirby King's point that the sysops are capable enough of determining who would or wouldn't make a good sysop, but in the same respect, those candidates who would make good sysops also share that judgment, so self-nomination is perfectly logical. Those who know best how to improve the administrative side of the wiki will make the best candidates and individuals know their own skillset and breadth of contributions far better than the community does. Remember, self-nomination is not the same as self-appointment; it's whether or not the nomination is successful that filters the power-hungry attention-seekers from those who actively seek that power because they recognize how the wiki can be improved in conjunction with their skills. --RJM Talk 02:54, November 21, 2007 (EST)
I see. Self-nomination really is the better way to go, then. Teamrocketspy621 08:00, November 21, 2007 (EST)
Well some will self-nominate or what? I's surprised that fireNWater haven't self-nominate yet, she can be more annoying that zinnamon when trying to convince someone for sysop. Someone will have to self-nomitate before I do.--Fandangox 16:31, November 22, 2007 (EST)
Achoo! :^) --RJM Talk 01:37, November 23, 2007 (EST)
That actually surprised me, too. Anyway, okay, let the self-noms be done :p NeonCrusader 23:07, November 22, 2007 (EST)
actually Fandangox, i haven't been on a computer for the past few days. don't you ever compare me to that kid. i'm removing the kind of junk that he often puts into the site. FyreNWater - (TalkContributions ) 02:54, November 23, 2007 (EST)
OK, I was just joking, can't people take a little joke?--Fandangox 11:26, November 23, 2007 (EST)
Frankly, that seemed a bit like an overreaction on her part, but fortunately that's not overly relevant to the question of my supporting her for sysopship. ;) Erik, Lord of Universes 13:53, November 23, 2007 (EST)
... I just hope that the new sysop do something about this user: IDIDITFORTHELULZ I had reverted three of his vadalized edits.--Fandangox 13:55, November 23, 2007 (EST)

Well, when is the big day then?

when the someone is going to be elected, selected, granted, or/and choosed to be the new sysop?--Fandangox 18:13, November 26, 2007 (EST)

the nom process

I'm thinking that needs a fix. It's something imported from SmashWiki which I genuinely disliked about it. Anyone else up to changing it to any nominations? --Sky (t | c | w) 05:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The problem has always been that the people voicing their opposition and/or support are not usually in any position to be deciding what does and does not make a good SysOp. I felt like half the people who voiced their support for my nomination actually brought my chances down trying to justify it by repeatedly pointing out qualities that really have nothing to do with administrative responsibility. --RJM Talk 02:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure how relevant that is to the nominating process and not the process as a whole, though I do agree with you in essence. --Sky (t · c · w) 20:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Ugh

when will someone noticed im a canidate for sysop..... no one has been on this page for ever! Zmario 22:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

An idea to decide on the current sysop nominations

Right now we have five candidates who are all in approximately the same situation. As Randal has pointed out, with people simply getting their friends to come out and vote for them it is becoming something like a popularity contest. What I propose as a way to decide is a system like the main wikipedia has. Every current sysop that is willing will put forward a situation that would be in the reasonable work of a sysop. Each candidate will respond as to how they would go about solving said situation. These responses will then be judged to determine the success of the candidate's request for adminship. Additionally, other users may continue to comment on the candidates, but comments must be more that "he's made some good edits." For a comment to be considered, the user must point to specific and ongoing actions by the candidate that have improved the wiki beyond what is seen out of the majority of regular contributors. Let me know what you all think, especially other sysops. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a better way of doing things, but at this point, I don't even see the need for more SysOps, so I don't think this page serves much of a purpose at all until we do. --RJM Talk 04:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I think the number of sysops is good right now. And yes, basically everyone that's trying right now is kinda like, "OMG, i wanna be able to delete stuff and be cool and ban people i dun liek!" So... can we close the thing until we need more help? FyreNWater - (TalkContributions ) 03:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Deal. In the interim, I think it might be a good idea for everyone to come to some sort of consensus as to what direction this wiki is going in nowadays anyway. Since the merge, there hasn't been a lot of organization of things like policies, project pages and guidelines. The number of "/Merge" articles sitting in Category:SmashWiki is evidence enough that everything pretty much came to a standstill and it would be good to get everyone on the same page with respect to what's in store for the future. I'll post some of my thoughts in greater detail tomorrow--dealing with this kind of spam should never really be the top sysop priority around here and as of late, that has been the case. Now that it's out of the way, it's high time that some discussions about actual productivity came to the surface. --RJM Talk 05:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Awfully small "consensus" to close all of them, though I'm not opposed to the choice personally. ;o

Working on the SmashWiki:Merge pages would seem to me the first thing to work on, followed by a look at the category system, which was seriously... killed by the merge. From there, I'm not real sure about how to progress, other than to add further template support (such as automatic age on T:Smasherbeta or some such) as well as normal everyday add-to-wiki work. I await other comments. --Sky (t · c · w) 06:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Right now, I think we have plenty of sysops. And the last round of nominations was a real putoff, all that drama has got to end. --Charitwo 10:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I like Sky's idea about getting rid of the SmashWiki/Merge pages. As for discussing what direction(s) we should go in, do you think it might be a good idea to make a project page with the protection level set to sysops only so that we could discuss these things without it getting cluttered with comments from other users? We'd still have to deal with possible comments on our talk pages, but given recent events, I can see this kind of discussion becoming clogged up with many random users arguing for the Goomba Mafia and its ilk to come back. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 17:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Clarinet: Nah. If one of them has feedback here, they are more than likely to add it. That said, I'm not sure the majority of said people realize there's a talk page for almost every other page. ;o --Sky (t · c · w) 18:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Sky: OK. Well if we want to get the merge pages taken care of, it might just be a good idea to get a bot to merge all of them with whatever the name is after the /Merge part. I'm not that good with programing bots, so I don't know exactly how to get it to work. I know you know some stuff about bots, but if you're too busy I could probably figure it all out. What does everyone think about this idea? Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 02:08, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
It's a little more complicated than that. The content itself has to be merged; I'm fairly certain there are several pages which have slightly more info, or completely different info, than the ones currently in the main namespace. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Understood. I'll get started on it tomorrow. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 05:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
To that end, I would suggest starting with the smaller (main space) pages, such as the stickers, trophies, and event matches. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually I think that this is rediculous. It may need to be kept down to 3 nominations at a time, But I still think it should be open for canidates nomatter what, even if its one at a time. Kperfekt722 (talk) 20:57, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I understand how this can seem like an unfair authoritarian decision, but there really wasn't any other option. As you obviously didn't read the comments above this (if you had, you wouldn't have made this a response to Sky and me), you don't realize that we are on to discussing other matters. Right now, the first order of business is merging all the pages left over from the merger. As for why we closed the sysop nominations, all anyone expressed as their reason for wanting the powers was the ability to ban users and delete pages. We already have enough people to take care of that. However, those are not the only jobs of a sysop. I'll be honest, it was much more work and expectation than I expected. Merging page histories is a boring and repetitive process, where one mistake can cause big problems for the pages in question. The nominees wanted to be sysops because they felt it would be fun. While there is the occasional enjoyment, it comes mostly from seeing your improvements to the wiki after putting in a good amount of work. Candidates were coming up for sysop just because they made lots of edits, not because they demonstrated the skills or commitment necessary to take this wiki in the right direction. I'll also point out that we have an extremely large number of sysops already; there are only two on the whole Golden Sun wiki. I appologize about the timing of this decision, but we needed to move forward an begin tackling problems that we had let slide for too long. I hope that there are no hard feelings and everyone continues to work with this wiki and take it in the right direction. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 21:11, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

While we're on the discussion of improving the wiki, might I recommend a change in skin. I know that we recently went to the monaco, but I really prefer the wikipedia skin. I think that the wiki is more user friendly and easier on the eyes when viewed on the wikipedia skin. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 20:55, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

We cannot make the monobook skin our default, but you can set it as a user preference. This is due to w:Wikia's New Style. Yay for our Wikia overlords! --Sky (t · c · w) 02:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
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