Forum:Ideas for new tier list tables

As you might have read, we are currently revamping the tier list tables into a very cool new format. Though the others and I have already created an outline, feel free to make your own suggestions here! Just create your own Tier List table and paste it below, then the other admins and I will comment on it. '''Remember, do not implement your table on the tier list article until the green light is given. We are still in the "research" stage of this, and it may take a while. Bear with us.''' Mr. Anon (talk) 17:37, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

i think that Peach should be the highest #1, then Zero-Suit Samus should be #2, with Sonic, Lucario, Kirby, King Dedede, Pikachu, & Luigi all being relatively high! as for the lowest it should be Ganondorf! well that's what i think Brawl's Tier list should be like! --WaterKirby1994 (talk) 04:48, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * That is not what I mean. Mr. Anon (talk) 04:52, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

With all due respect everybody, link should be given a bit more credit than he's being given. Sure not the best but near the bottom? Come on people he is a bit better then that- crisgecko What did you mean? i thought this was what you wanted! i gave you the 8 best characters in the game, & the worst character! anyway as for Mr. Game&Watch, Donkey Kong, Fox, Falco, Mario, Yoshi & Samus i place them directly below the top 8! --WaterKirby1994 (talk) 05:26, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * You're a fucking moron. Effigy 03:42, July 6, 2011 (EST)

I think that he means he wants you to make a table and then send it so he can see what your table looks like though the research into the tier looks like. --LexingtonChiodos 10:30, July 3, 2011 (USA)


 * I am not talking about the actual tier list itself. I am merely talking about the formatting. According to some users, the current tier list tables look ugly, just showing the picture of the character. That is why I am proposing that users give me ideas for the formatting. Mr. Anon (talk) 18:51, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

i was thinking of a 3D format. ( oh and im not logged in so hi )

Hmmm..I thought the formatting looked fine, not sure how to make it look more appealing than already :P  Aimers talk 03:09, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

I think the tier lists' pictures for each character should be enlarged, and have the characters' names underneath the picture. Alongside the character's name listed is the matchup average for that character. All these changes may be a bit too much and make the tier list too big so feel free to use one change but not the other. BloodyBoom (talk) 11:17, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

I liked the way the tier list looked... I didnt think it was ugly.. just a tier list.

Here's an idea: leave the old-format tier lists up while you make the new format, then just replace the old when you're done with the new. I keep coming back to check the characters' locations on the lists, and I keep seeing "The tier lists aren't here right now lulz!" It's super-annoying. Is there any particular reason you can't have the old format up while you make the new one? Either way, many thanks to everyone who contributes to the site. You all rock. -D.J.R. (15 July 2011)

EDIT: Well, I feel silly. I found the list of all the tier lists as they've evolved over time - this list includes the most recent tiers for each game. I apologize for my ignorance. Here's the list, if anyone else out there is as blind as I am. (http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_NTSC_tier_lists) -D.J.R. (16 July 2011)

Hmmm... maybe it should be like this: the tier list should have bright colors for the high tiers and dark colors for the low tiers. Also, the tiers should be like this: God, Top, Upper, High, Middle, Low, Bottom and Negligible, each with stars next to them (expect the Negligible tier): seven stars for God: six stars for Top: five stars for Upper: four stars for High: three stars for Middle: two stars for Low: one star for Bottom: and zero stars for Negligible. And like BloodyBoom said, the characters should have their names underneath their picture and their average matchup score for that character. (I'm not logged in so sorry).

And while your working on the tier list, don't forget the sixth tier list for Brawl! It was produced on July 4, 2011. And if you don't know, I'll list it for you and you can write it down on a piece of paper.


 * 1st: Meta Knight
 * 2nd: Diddy Kong
 * 3rd: Snake
 * 4th: Falco
 * 5th: Marth
 * 6th: Wario
 * 7th: Ice Climbers
 * 8th: Olimar
 * 9th: Pikachu
 * 10th: Lucario
 * 11th: King Dedede
 * 12th: Zero Suit Samus
 * 13th: Mr. Game & Watch
 * 14th: Toon Link
 * 15th: Fox
 * 16th: Wolf
 * 17th: Peach
 * 18th: Donkey Kong
 * 19th: Kirby
 * 20th: R.O.B.
 * 21st: Pit
 * 22nd: Sonic
 * 23rd: Ike
 * 24th: Zelda/Sheik
 * 25th: Luigi
 * 26th: Sheik
 * 27th: Ness
 * 28th: Yoshi
 * 29th: Pokemon Trainer
 * 30th: Lucas
 * 31st: Mario
 * 32nd: Bowser
 * 33rd: Samus
 * 34th: Captain Falcon
 * 35th: Link
 * 36th: Jigglypuff
 * 37th: Zelda
 * 38th: Ganondorf

And that's my suggestion. Good work on the new format. You're gonna rock at this, Mr. Anon. I'm gonna love you so much. 17:54, July 16, 2011

THE TIER LIST ABOVE IS NOT THE OFFICIAL TIER LIST. IT IS WHAT A SINGLE PERSON THINKS THE TIER LIST SHOULD BE!!! ALREADY, SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT IS THE CURRENT TIER LIST, WHICH IT ISN'T. R. O. B.'S PAGE ALREADY SAYS THAT HE'S  18:31, July 20, 2011

Honestly, I don't think many people care what the tier list looks like. They only really care if the tier is good, and the good characters are at the top, and bad ones at the bottom.

That being said, Jigglypuff needs to be higher. Jigglypuff isn't the best character, I know that from experience. It's light and easy to kill. You know who else is like that? Mr. Game & Watch. And he was #11 on the last tier. Jigglypuff's moves are also just as or more powerful than Mr. Game & Watch's. The only thing Mr. Game & Watch can do well that Jigglypuff can't is rack up damage, flip sausages and throw oil.

Jigglypuff isn't great, but it isn't the third worst character. Think about it, Mr. Anon. 10:17, July 18, 2011

Quick question about ssb tier lists in general, Mr. Anon- would it be safe to say that tier lists are only pertinent to each characters highest levels of their metagames? Or, simply put, do tier lists matter if you're not a 'pro'? I have spent a LOT of time playing ssbb and put a lot of thought into it, and have come to the conclusion that tier lists should only be used as a guideline, or not taken into consideration at all for any player who is not at the level -or close- to, say, mew2king. Am I wrong?

I'm in agreement with the last guy. Half the "pros" at the smash games like mew2king we have never seen or heard of. On another note, multiple times, I have seen characters positions on the tier list at where they are because of one technique. Such as the Ice Climbers, who are at the A tier because of their chain grabbing potential. Chain grabbing isn't an easy thing to do. I've owned Brawl for almost five years, and I still have trouble with chain grabbing.

i actually beg to differ with his tier list Meta Knight although awesome has several drawbacks, which is why he shouldn't be #1, Peach should be, also as for Diddy Kong & Snake, they like Meta Knight are to highly ranked! Honestly players will always disagree about this stuff, so maybe we should just do away with the Tier List! Like i said Lucario, Luigi & Sonic are to lowly placed! --WaterKirby1994 (talk) 01:04, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

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I find these formatting suggestions interesting. I will say that I think the new table should have more clearly defined transitions than letters of the alphabet. I still don't know if "green" means middle tier or low tier or what for SSB. I just peg it as middle tier. I think there should be three main categories (high, middle, low) and subcategories for each. Subcategories for high tier would be 1) Meta Knight tier, 2) top tier, 3) high tier (the rest of high tier). Middle can be upper and lower, while bottom should be 1) low, 2) bottom, 3) Ganon. I think each major category should be placed on a different level (thus, "tier"). Names would be helpful, but if you have to choose between the two, pictures are better for quick reference.

Here's a really interesting idea: why not have "stats" for different characters? Each character receives a rating for each stat. The stats would be: 1) Spacing, 2) Approach, 3) Pressure, 4) Recovery, 5) Flexibility, and whatever else I'm forgetting. You get the idea.  Including projectiles might also be helpful, but the "Projectile" rating would have to include projectile defense, since certain characters don't need a heavy projectile game to function well (*cough* Meta Knight *cough*).  It wouldn't necessarily impact tier placement, but it would be helpful and informative to those of us who don't have time to comb every fighter's description.

Thanks for allowing suggestions, and I hope you come up with something cool!

My thoughts, Kyoshi1

P.S. As long as some people are giving suggestions, I might as well add one: Olimar should move to 5th after Brood's performance at Apex. At the very least, he needs to be considered top tier. I'm sorry, I don't care how good you are at a fighter; if the fighter is not top tier material, it is simply not possible for you to do what Brood did to Mew2King. It's as simple as that.

I think that's fairly reasonable. Oh, and keep Yoshi low tier; he's the guy I use in Low Tier tourneys, and I don't want to lose him! XP (Just kidding; he's probably due to move up to mid-tier anyway.  But I'll miss him if he does.)

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Peach should be in the top tier not MetaKnight, because MK has way to many drawbacks! Why do you guys place MK so high, he's a mid tier smasher! --WaterKirby1994 (talk) 21:19, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

WaterKirby1994, have you seen ANY real tournament match? Because Metaknight's only possible drawbacks are no projectiles and lightweight, but he has so many upsides those are ignored for his tier placement. Peach does not rank well in MLG Tourneys, while MetaKnight is often in top 5 for the rankings of a tournament, if the Metaknight is played well by the user. BloodyBoom (talk) 11:17, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think Link should be higher, because people aren't really playing as the MAIN CHARACTER, i.e. Link. Link should be 2nd Tier on SSB64, 1st Tier on SSBM, and 1st on SSBB (No one but me knows MK sucks). Link is flexible, fast, strong, GWP*, and has an FS that kills. (Unlike the rest)

No one knows how powerful Link is, so put him on high tiers.

There should be stat cards, cards I make for character stats.

Responding to a couple people above
Unfortunately, I am not in control of the SmashBoards tier list, so I cannot change that. And because SmashBoards' tier lists are the most famous, we have to include them.

However, according to NOT, SmashWiki is not "official", and doesn't have to take Smashboard's word by law. If you provide a well reasoned tier list of your own that has been reviewed by people experienced with the game, I don't see any harm in including it as well. Mr. Anon (talk) 19:24, July 22, 2011 (UTC)