Board Thread:Super Smash Bros. Discussion/@comment-5869183-20140913181328/@comment-5298614-20141023002126

OctaviaMelody1995 wrote: Hylianhobbit wrote: OctaviaMelody1995 wrote: Hylianhobbit wrote: OctaviaMelody1995 wrote: I don't get why Ganondorf is last. Sure he is slow, but if you use his smash, it speeds him up and it gets him close enough to use his melee attacks and smash attacks. Also ushing his smash attacks will just knock his opponent out of theirs.

Ganondorf is not only stupidly slow, but also has the shortest grab range and a terrible recovery move.

Again his specials actually help him get in range, plus I never really get to many chances to use his recovery due to his armor making really difficult to launch him a far distance. The only problem for me is his final smash. Okay sometimes I can time it right, but a lot of times when I do, the opponent does escape. Really are the Ice Climbers worth being number 2? Okay I use them better than Ness and Olimar (which in comparison when a rare occasion use Ganondorf's recovery is better and easier to control than Olimar's or Ness's) they should be lower, but yet ahaead of Meta Knight. Meta Knight final smash is easy to avoid and same with his special. His range might be as bad as Ganondorf's, but that is due to his size.

Final Smashes don't factor into the tier list because they aren't used in tournaments. Yeah, and that is a problem. Really humans should not be used for tiers, because anybody can do what ever and fight some of the top tier characters with a bottom tier character if they can do well with them. Again Metaknight being all over the place might be tricky for unexperienced players, but with somebody that is experienced, he actually easy to watch. (Well the #DS hasn't fixed those issues with me), and I don't care how well you can control him, it doesn't make it hard to tell what his moves do.

So do what? Use suicomcider- sorry, computer players to decide the tiers? There are techniques that computers don't do. They can't wave dash or L cancel, but that's Melee. I don't remember CPUs being able to chain grab. (Ice climbers are good at it, I think this is why they are number 2 in brawl tier lists) Plus, well, search up. Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing in Melee/Brawl. One of the clips in a video of these stuff (in Melee) involves a suicidal lvl 9 Fox who died nearly the exact same way every time and Luigi wasn't doing anything.