Forum:Tier list unfarity?

The tier list is unfair because only the popular characters get good strategies and combos sent to smash back room. Also slower and more powerfull characters seem to be prejudiced against. People exagerate their weakness and ignore their stengths. They also make lies about their recovery abilities. It was because of unfair tiers that Roy didn't return in Brawl. The idiots who hated powerful characters killed Roy. Roy wasn't that slow and his recovery wasn't really that worse from Marth's. --Tuth (talk) 15:34, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a good thing that no means the same thing in multiple languages, because it will save me time typing it in all of them. Because that's the answer to your topic:  NO.  We've had this discussion many times before, and we've also proved that tiers exist.  As for your comment that "only the popular characters get good strategies and combos sent to smash back room," do you even know how this work?  The SBR doesn't passively wait for people to submit combos.  99.99% of the SBR are professional players who don't give a damn about how popular a character is.  They care who gives them the best opportunity to win.  So what do they do, they play all the characters to determine who gives them the best chance to win.  If you want to take your "popularity argument," I'd argue that as people like to win, the top tier characters become the most popular.  So the popularity of top tier characters is caused by the tier list much more that the popularity of a character causes it to be top tier.  And as I always say, if you really believe that a character should be higher tier, go play in some big tourneys and win with those characters, then tell me about their tier.  Oh, and the tier list had nothing to do with Roy not being in Brawl.  Kirby came back, and he sucked in Melee.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 21:33, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for voting but you didn't exactly prove me wrong. In fact when you said "if you really believe that a character should be higher tier, go play in some big tourneys and win with those characters, then tell me about their tier" you proved me right. If proffesionals would win a few tournaments with Ganondorf, Ganondorf would go up on the Tier List. And how do we know SBR does things fairly. All 3 fan favorite characters are high up on the list. And so what if pro-tier won on a different discussion? It dosen't mean anti-tier can't win on this one. As for Roy, I might as well shut up about him since this is Brawl talk and he isn't in Brawl. The biggest thing about the tiers is that their supposed to be how good professionals do at the characters. But even professionals can have different play styles. THERE ISN'T ONLY ONE "PROFESSIONAL" PLAY STYLE. No offense, tiers, but you got owned.
 * Conclusion: While the pro-tierers have good arguments, anti-tierers win overall. The main problem proven about the tiers are that there is not one proffesional play style. --Tuth (talk) 15:36, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Errr... no? I'm not normally this harsh, but your argument deserves it: epic fail - your whole argument is just so much epic fail. Your original argument was beyond weak, Clarinet Hawk's response was logical and made sense, and your response to his comment was once again beyond weak - you have no right to claim that you've won this argument, especially seeing as I would say that you've lost, and you've lost bad. Firstly, when he said "go play in some big tourneys and win with those characters" he meant that you wouldn't win the tourneys, and the reason why you wouldn't win is because the big tourneys are all won by high tier characters, simply because they're better than the low tier characters. Secondly, if a certain play style with a certain character is effective in tournaments, other smashers will try to copy it - even though Ken came up with the Ken Combo, every Marth player in the world ended up learning it, simply because it's really effective. Thirdly, anti-tier fails in every argument, and pro-tier wins - the existence of tiers is a fact of life that you just have to come to terms with at some point. Read this and then this and if you still don't agree with the existence of tiers, then I'm afraid that no one can help you as they are both quite clear arguments for the existence of tiers to which there are no logical counter-arguments.  Penguin  of  Death   16:27, October 5, 2009 (UTC)