Thread:MayhemKing/@comment-16072884-20131024024037/@comment-16072884-20131029000438

"I LITERALLY HAD TWO VIDEOS TO PROVE MY CASE!" Since when did those videos explicitly state the controller inputs of those attacks?

"And Ultraman agreed that I proved my points as well." Just because TheUltraman says that you proved your points does not mean your points are correct, especially since TheUltraman failed to give any strong arguments supporting it.

"But both of his down specials are related to defense" That does nothing to prove that it's his down special, as there is nothing that says that it's not his side special or any other ground attack. That does not explicitly prove that it's his down special.

"while the Up Specials are recovery based." Being an up special move doesn't automatically mean it's a recovery move, and being a recovery move does not automatically mean it's an up special. The definition of an up special move is "an action performed by pressing up on the control stick and the special move button simultaneously", not "an attack that provides recovery". While most up specials provide recovery, that is not the definition of an up special, and there is nothing indicating his Power of Flight is not some other controller input.

"The Villager using a FORWARD aerial that hits only BEHIND itself? Are you serious? Because a Back Aerial would typically hit behind someone I mean...c'mon now." Read what I said about Pit's up special, being a back aerial does not automatically mean hitting behind you, and an attack hitting behind you does not automatically mean it's a back aerial. While it may be very unlikely that it's another aerial attack, it does not explicitly confirm that it's a back aerial. Use this logic for every other controller input you're trying to claim.

"I'm not even sure you're being serious and just trying to be difficult." I'm being absolutely serious, we cannot include this information until we are absolutely sure it is true.

"Besides, WHEN did anyone post a control input for Brawl?" First of all, don't get the idea that since no control inputs were posted for Brawl, that means that none will be posted for Smash 4 and that's it's okay to say that these are the control inputs because of this. The fact that no control inputs are posted for Brawl does nothing to support your claims. Secondly, control inputs were posted for Brawl; Sakurai said on the DOJO that Link' standard special was his Hero's Bow and stuff like that.

"which would be included in the instruction booklet." "Which is OBVIOUSLY not out because the game is set for sometime in 2014." If it's the case that no official controller inputs are released until the instruction booklet, we'll just have to wait until the game's release to add these in.

"That's like asking for a map to prove that Hawaii exists, even though we know where Hawaii is and what it looks like." That's not an accurate comparison to documenting the controller inputs of Smash 4. To me your Hawaii statement looks like you're trying to say that we don't need to prove something because there's already concrete evidence supporting it, but in your controller input version, you're trying to say that we don't need to prove that those are the controller inputs because the information is unavailable to us. Those aren't the same thing, and that's not a sound conclusion.

So, the arguments you have presented do not look like "explicit confirmation that these are the controller inputs". Unless you can provide unquestionable, undisputable, undeniable evidence from an official source that these are the controller inputs, I would advise against trying to argue the controller inputs of the attacks.