Kingdom II

I think that's an absurd redirect, anyone agree? --Randall00 20:53, February 17, 2007 (GMT)


 * Well, the reason I did that is because there seems to have been a structure of stage naming conventions already decided on with all the other stage articles, and my redirecting it like that is actually being consistent with the way all the other pages were named. In Melee, the names for each stage are officially Location: Stage, such as Yoshi's Island: Yoshi's Island and Termina: Great Bay, but the site has had only the Stage part of each title as the actual article name, so that Termina: Great Bay refers and redirects to the Great Bay article. I noticed Hyrule: Temple, often called Hyrule Temple by players, has Temple as its article name according to the site's current naming convention, but the article itself states "It is commonly known as Hyrule Temple, though its proper name is Temple (since "Hyrule" just notes Temple's location)." The fact this was this way on the wiki before I first came here indicated to me that stage article titles are made of the stage part of the actual official Location: Stage names provided by the game. So by that system the Melee stage Mushroom: Kingdom II would have to be titled Kingdom II for the article; that was all just me being consistent.


 * I would have prefered making all the stage articles names the official in-game Location: Stage setup rather than the Stage only setup it is right now on the Wiki. Whatever consensus decides on this issue, however, I'll not mind following. :) Erik the Appreciator 20:01, February 17, 2007 (GMT)


 * I'm all for proper naming conventions and everything, but I don't think there really is standardization amongst the SSBM stages. "Mushroom" isn't a location and I'm sure the game knows that. Everyone calls it Mushroom Kingdom II and it seems plainly obvious that "Kingdom II" is only going to confuse people. Just because the stage select screen has "mushroom" written in small text doesn't necessarily mean that it's following some sort of standard. After all, both Rainbow Cruise and Princess Peach's Castle both have their "location" listed as "Mushroom Kingdom" as a whole. If that were standard for all stages, the MK stages would have to read Mushroom Kingdom: Mushroom Kingdom and Mushroom Kingdom: Mushroom Kingdom II. But they don't. -- Randall00 20:53, February 17, 2007 (GMT)


 * I hear ye, though this is starting to sound like something where there should be some input from other users as well. I'd like to see what big-name users like MaskedMarth and AltAcnt have to say about how stage names should be decided. Erik the Appreciator 21:01, February 17, 2007 (GMT)


 * Yes, I'm always open to input. I'm taking the be bold wiki guideline to editing to a sometimes unforgiving extreme, but I'd really like to see this SmashWiki on its feet before Brawl comes out and nobody cares about the accuracy of the information anymore. :^) -- Randall00 21:19, February 17, 2007 (GMT)

I agree with Randall. No one calls it Kingdom II, and no one ever will. IMO common usage should far outweigh technical correctness. --nealdt 21:39, February 17, 2007 (GMT)

Cool, I'm a big-name user! Anyways, I recommend using BOTH titles for every stage name. Using just one title can be accurate and consistent, but then you get awkward titles like "Kingdom II" which was obviously not HAL's intent. Following common usage is a good thing, but then we run into messy issues like "Temple vs. Hyrule Temple" and "Dreamland vs. Kirby 64." And we can always denote common usage within the article itself (like "Dreamland, sometimes called Kirby 64, is a stage in SSBM"). 00:33, February 18, 2007 (GMT)


 * As an aside, I don't think it's a good thing to thrust our "common usage" upon readers that aren't part of the community. Our first responsibility is presenting the pure game information.  00:35, February 18, 2007 (GMT)


 * Well, mask-man, if you're so bold as to put such a creepy picture of yourself on your userpage, you'd have to be a big-name user. ^_^ Anyway, does this mean that we should officially have the stage articles they way they are in the games, like Hyrule: Temple, Yoshi's Island: Yoshi's Island, and Mushroom: Kingdom? While some find the name of the second stage there ugly and repetitive, it is official and denotes that the article is about a Melee stage and not any other topic, including an SSB stage. I was originally planning to make all the stage name titles in that format for the purpose of accomodating non-community readers, and also in case Brawl's stage collection included a Fire Emblem: Temple or something, but I'm wise enough to look for consensus about doing stuff like that first. Erik the Appreciator 02:43, February 18, 2007 (GMT)