User talk:Clarinet Hawk/Archive 6

Vandals
'''Please list the names/IP's of potential vandals here. Also, if possible, tell me the page(s) they vandalized so that I can verify the claim and assess the damage. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 02:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)'''

Perma-ban this IP. His last ban ended today and he just started up again. Miles (talk - contribs) 23:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Aw man, it's the same guy? Man, he's probably the guy I called a fr... Sorry, BNK got banned because of that. Anyway, I agree with Miles, we kept reverting this guy's edits while you guys were in school/college (last month or earlier). Ban him.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 23:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * is vandal. --Shadow crest 01:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Seriously, ban him. Please.  He's been nothing but trouble for the past hour or so.   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 01:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Can u ban this annoying IP? Special:Contributions/162.83.114.18 Thanks. Mas ter man What's the matter?   Scared?

This person is a vandal account. Please ban it for life.  Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 02:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

151.199.137.92 is a vandal account. Ban him.  IT'S A METEORITE! If you weren't crushed  10:58, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

1 is vandal. --Shadow crest 21:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Look what got created again. Para Goomba 348 (C'mon, just talk to me ) 16:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Congrats
5 archives. Wow. By the way, JtM put a Cleanup Tag on our article, saying there was way too much stuff. Shade cleaned it up for us, removing a lot of the stuff. Now that it's cleaned up, can I remove the tag?  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 23:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

It would be a lot of work, but...
...should we make a separate stub template for each universe? Right now we have two, Stub and Smasher-stub. Should this happen, or is it not worth the trouble? Miles (talk - contribs) 23:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we should be able to say what info needs to added to the stub, kinda like how cleanup works. It would good for clarification if nothing else.   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 23:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems like a good idea to me.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 23:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not what I meant originally. I like your idea in theory, but that's the difference between cleanup and stub: Cleanup targets one or two problems, but stub means the whole thing is too short.  It would just clutter it up.  Miles (talk - contribs) 23:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No and no. I don't have time to explain now, but I'll get to it later.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 01:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Not to seem like I'm bothering you, but I'm interested to find out what you'd think about the tentative project I'm designing. I thought it might even be possible to reword it and make it a policy, but in either case I know it still needs work. Thoughts? Also, could you please comment on my RfA? Thanks. Miles (talk - contribs) 02:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

CH, an anonymous source told me that you banned BNK for "multiple accounts, insults off of wiki". that is a false statement. and, you can't ban anyone for insults off the wiki! i've seen BNK level insults, but the ones the sockpuppets used are NOT him. Xtrme  Talk 2 X   Wut X is doing  18:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Special:Log/block is an anonymous source? Oh, my mistake. It doesn't say that anywhere in the block log.


 * Oh, wait. --Sky (t · c · w) 18:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I guess Cheez got banned too
User Talk:Cheezperson.

Sooooooo, yeah.O, Mighty Smoreking 19:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

My Tier Lists!
I didn't copy the tier lists! Those were my own! Take a look at them before you delete a page! --Riko (talk) 21:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

About BNK
Could you maybe remove BNK's ban? Or at least reduce it. I know you probably won't want to, but hear me out: BNK's not that bad of a guy. You see, I talk with him every day on my Proboards, and he's very friendly once you get to know him. Sure, he may lash out at his enemies, but we all have our faults. It's all a part of human nature. The man is a Christian, and a very good friend (hope that didn't religiously offend you). I'll try and make him a better person in preparation for his return. I promise you, he will be a better person by the time you get this message. Please take this request into consideration, as he is a very good contributor to the wiki. Thank you. -  GalaxiaD <font face="times new roman"> Talk 00:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Basically all of your arguments don't matter or are outweighed, honestly :/
 * Though 3 months is a long time. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3"><font color="Steelblue">Shadow <font color="Steelblue">crest  00:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Three months would be a long time if this wasn't the fourth time he has been banned for these same things. This time, he went so far as to not only use the wiki, but also find users outside of wikia to continue harassing them. I can't stop him from being an idiot, but I can stop him from doing it here. Him being you friend is wholly irrelevant. He is disruptive to this wiki and its users. I also don't care if this is "just who he is." I agree with that statement; that's why I blocked him. Next, his religion is completely irrelevant here. What is relevant is his behaviour. I don't care what faith he belongs to (if any) or how he practices it. All I care about is the fact that all he does on this wiki is cause strife. This is one of the very few places in the world where you are judged solely on your actions. Users have no way of knowing personal information about you unless you choose to divulge it. All we have to go on is what and how the person has contributed. In the case of BNK, I made a ruling on this irrespective of personal information. He is blocked for the next three months. If, upon his return, he continues this behaviour, he will be blocked forever. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for signing up for our tournament on AiB. Will both of you be participating or just one of you? Shade (talk) 00:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

About YouTube videos
You are invited to comment on the proposition that was posted to my talk page at JoePlay's talk page. My response is already posted there. Silver and Erik have also been contacted. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The block
First of all, thanks for shortening BNK's block, although I still doubt he deserved it at all.

Second, in case you missed it, I was blocked a third time in relation to BNK's block. I will lose a ton of faith in the administration here if it happens if fourth time. I'm usually a cheerful guy (the arguments are just 4 fun), but my "blocks" are making me think. We (BNK and I) live on opposite ends of the USA, so I shouldn't even be affected at all. He's been blocked before, and I've never been affected by them. If I'm going to regain trust in the administration, I'd like to know why I keep getting blocked.  Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 06:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you keep getting blocked. It's not something I have control over in most cases.  When a user is blocked, the script is set up to hit the IPs used by that user.  If what you are saying is true, I can't understand why you are being auto-blocked by his blocks.  The only explanations I have is that one of your computers is a zombie of the other, or one of you is on a variable IP address.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 06:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I only use one computer, and it's stationary, so that can't be it. I probably shouldn't be mad at you, as human mistakes happen, and all of us (even those who claim to be experts) are still learning.   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 07:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The only thing they can do to avoid it is not use auto-block, and I know quite well how hard changing an entire community is. Your anger is completely misplaced, and it doesn't even seem you know why you were blocked before flaming C.Hawk :/ --<font face="vivaldi" size="3"><font color="Steelblue">Shadow <font color="Steelblue">crest  15:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * In case you haven't heard about it, BNK was blocked again, and for some reason, my P address is affected by it. I did nothing wrong, and all of the users know that.  I wasn't flaming, you'd be a little angry too if you keep getting blocked for another guy's block because of IP address stuff.  Last of all, please mind your own business.   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 23:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheezperson, don't bring the last part up as a reason. Shadowcrest will eventually say something like, "it's a wiki, and a user is obligated to join in on a conversation in order to solve problems on the wiki". That's just a generalization of what Shadowcrest thinks and says.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 23:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I don't need the "I did nothing wrong, you'd be frustrated too" etc., because I am well aware Blue Ninjakoopa was blocked again, having commented on the shortening of his ban; I well aware of how auto-block works, having used it regularly; and I already expressed my empathy to you, not my sympathy. Which means that I know what's happening because it's happened to me. User_talk:Shadowcrest for reference. Don't pretend that I'm an idiot without a clue, please.
 * Now I'm pretty much convinced neither of you get wikis at all. Yes, MarioGalaxy, I would have said something like that (although obligated wasn't the right word, able is more accurate). Why? Because it's the basic principle of wikis, which neither of you seem to understand. I will say for the third time: Wikis exist so that everyone can contribute to virtually everything. Also for the third time: If you want me to stay out of "your business", take it off wiki. By the very nature of the fact that you posted it on a wiki, it is not "your business", but I'm too lazy to argue the point atm.
 * Additionally Cheez, the fact that you are ignoring your own advice to me is quite lulz. You are accusing C.Hawk of targetting you with a ban, which is nowhere close to the truth, and then say you will lose trust in him if it happens again, despite there being no evidence he is targetting you and despite your incorrect belief. I suggest you assume good faith in other users more often. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3"><font color="Steelblue">Shadow <font color="Steelblue">crest 00:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying CH targeted me for a ban (I'm pretty sure he didn't), I was just wondering if he knew why it was targeting me even after I as unblocked twice. I don't know how it would work.
 * Also, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it. For the past week or so, after most of everything I've posted here, you jump in and make unnecessary and snide remarks.  I will take my own advice and assume good faith, and therefore consider out loud that you are doing what you are doing out of good faith, but don't think for a second that I appreciate it.  I'm sorry for sounding derogatory (and pointing out the obvious), but you're acting like a wannabe sysop.  If you want to become one, request for it, and accept the (helpful) criticism people give you!  Now don't say that I don't accept criticism, because the reason why I question criticizers is because I like to know why the feel the way they do, and how I can better myself.
 * My question to you is why you feel the way you do about non-sysops. I will not accept "I treat sysops and regular users the same way as an answer," as I know that isn't true.   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 01:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't feel any differently about sysops and nonsysops. What I do feel difference towards is the attitude, knowledge, and actions of the people who get wikis and people that don't. I have tried very hard to get people to understand, and after having multiple arguments of biting my tongue, being polite and being ignored, I dropped it and started being a hardass. I know the above message was more inflammatory than I wanted, and I am sincerely sorry for it. But if it's the only way I can get people to listen, then so be it (as long as it's within the bounds of good taste, though).
 * "I'm not saying CH targeted me for a ban (I'm pretty sure he didn't), I was just wondering if he knew why it was targeting me even after I as unblocked twice." I guess you implied something way different than what you said, then. After all, we're all human; we make mistakes. You see, since you were threatening to lose faith in the admins if an automated mechanism blocks you again, I took it as you blaming C.Hawk for something he really has nothing to do with; I didn't see it as a question until just now.
 * "Also, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it." And...why not? If I've got something important to say, I'm probably going to say it.
 * "For the past week or so, after most of everything I've posted here, you jump in and make unnecessary and snide remarks." Well, if I had something genuine to say it wasn't an unnecessary comment, but I apologize if I have accidentally slighted you.
 * "...you're acting like a wannabe sysop. If you want to become one, request for it..." I plan to. Just not yet.
 * "...and accept the (helpful) criticism people give you!" But you see, that's just it. If I recieved criticism that would truly improve the way I contribute (and be careful not to fall into the trap of thinking carebears are the ideal), then I would gladly do my best to improve. In fact, I just had a serious discussion regarding my behavior and how I've tried to improve myself, and how I've reached and at the same time failed to reach my self imposed goal. This very post obtains and fails to hit my goal. It involved the two polls on my userpage, which I wish people would vote it; I requested the feedback for a reason.
 * In conclusion: I both understand and fail to understand why you do what you do and how you think about things. I'm only trying to help you guys improve yourselves; I'm not trying to troll, flame, like and such as. I realize I come off as an ass sometimes (a lot, depending -.- ), but- at least regarding smashwiki, I've decided that it's better to be harsh and understood and polite and ignored, since at least the former accomplishes something. I haven't meant to slight anyone, but it is occasionally a side effect of my posting... and I'm sorry. :/ --<font face="vivaldi" size="3"><font color="Steelblue">Shadow <font color="Steelblue">crest  02:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

You do know I was telling Cheez to not bring up that last reason, right? I told him you'd say something like that because you would. I don't really care if I don't understand, you can go ahead and join a conversation, it doesn't mean anything to me. Sure, it's the principle, but that's not my point. All I'm saying is Cheez shouldn't bring up that last part. Go ahead and talk to him and C. Hawk, it doesn't bother me.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 01:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I realize that. However, the way I interpreted your comment is that I was trolling and like and such as by repeatedly trying to get users to understand the point of a wiki. So, I apologize for any unnecessary hostility towards you. :] --<font face="vivaldi" size="3"><font color="Steelblue">Shadow <font color="Steelblue">crest  02:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, don't worry about it. I am in a bad mood right now, but that's because I'm doing a take-home history test right now. I can't talk much at the moment.  Mario Galaxy  { talk } 03:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Ruling: One, I'm not going to stop using auto-blocks, they prevent users from just siging out and or using sockpupets to ontinue their missdeeds. If you actauly fell like this is wrong, take it up with wikia staff. Second, I'm not sure why your computer keeps getting caught. As I have no access to you or BKK's IP addres, I can't determine what is going on. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 05:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

FA
I had a few FA related questions/comments.


 * First off, I wrote a FA snippet about Tabuu, which I would love to see on the Main Page.
 * Second, do you think I should write a few FA snippets ahead of time and mark the appropriate articles as featured?
 * And if yes, which ones would you want me to write about? I'd been thinking of some, but I'm interested in your opinions. Miles (talk - contribs) 03:46, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Not to seem annoying but I still could use an answer to the previous questions. Also, could you comment on my RfA? Thanks. Miles (talk - contribs) 23:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
I'm sorry, I didn't realise. I was only trying to be helpful like people did for me. I'll stop if you want. -- Toon Ganondorf CHAT  19:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, CH! I heard from a reliable source that you know a site that may have info on event match world records. If you do, can you please give me a link? Thanks!  Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 03:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, one more thing. I was wondering how the wiki views trophy pages.  I feel there needs to be some sort of project to finish the trophy articles, or at least have a picture of the trophy and its description on the list page.  Take a look at the list page itself and tell me what you think.   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 04:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Smash Arena
I thought you stayed outta my business! WHY DID YOU PROTECT THE SUGGESTIONS PAGE!

<BIG>HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU NOT TO TOUCH MY FUCKING PAGE!!!!</BIG>

I thought you fucking resolve this shit last month! I know how to work the fucking page! YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO TOUCH MY FUCKING PAGE!!!! WHAT KINDA OF ADMIN ARE YOU! Squallinoa 08 (talk) 05:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it was resolved ages ago that
 * NPA is a policy, not a suggestion
 * You can't own a page
 * But here we are. The suggestions page was being used to vote for characters and not to decide possible smash arena battles, and was an unnecessary burden on the innocent RC. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3"><font color="Steelblue">Shadow <font color="Steelblue">crest 06:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OMG, shut the fuck up with your fucking wiki rules! HE HAS NO RIGHT TO SECURE THAT PAGE! and what you talking about everyone is voting? let me put these words in BIG texts for you,
 * THEY ARE FUCKING VOTING FOR THE FIGHT THEY WANT TO FUCKING SEE IN THE FUCKING ARENA!!!!


 * I'm sorry Shadowcrest, I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the fucking person who fucking screw me over! Squallinoa 08 (talk) 06:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Stop with this crap on my talk page. That Forum was not being used to vote on what they wanted to see, but to be used as a secondary Smash Arena.  It has completely flooded the recent changes and has no justification on this wiki.  Also, you are not the only one who knows how to run that page.  And you own nothing on this wiki, nor do I.  Had you taken the time to look, I only secured it for two days.  This will, I hope, get a cool down and get it back to what it was intended for.  Of course, it don't look so good for you being able to run it...  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 06:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't know how to run that page either! Did you see an example of Smash Arena from FF wiki and Zeldapedia. In fact, why can they make their fighting page watever into a wiki project page, and mines in stuck in the frickin forums? Squallinoa 08 (talk) 06:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Trust me, that's not hard to run. As for the second point, this community has different standards.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 06:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If thats the case, why can't you let me run it the way I want it?! Squallinoa 08 (talk) 06:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * See above, point two. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 06:23, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * (sigh) Whats the point? Do you even like the idea?? Squallinoa 08 (talk) 06:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, but I am content to let it remain in the forums. Just not with the double forum.  Like I said, the forum was being used as a surrogate for the Smash Arena.  I'm not going to fight everyone who wants the arena, but I don't like seeing the Suggestions forum turning into nothing more than "ZZOMG ZLEDA ES BTR THN SHIEK"  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 06:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess the users didn't follow the rules. Basically if they love the idea, they are suppose to put their username under "support" or "reject" if they hate it. Then they are suppose to give their reason why they like it or not. And really, they are giving their opinions, they are not fighting for who they think is better. Squallinoa 08 (talk) 06:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Squall, I hope you realize that there's 3 pages for the suggestions right now, and about 15 queued matches. That's about 4 months of battles.  Are you sure you can handle that?   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 06:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'll think of something. Squallinoa 08 (talk) 06:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's why I recommend using .  That will prevent people from using it the wrong way, stop the RC flooding, and all the general problems.  Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 06:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't like using polls. If they don't do it in Final Fantasy DNC's, Zeldapedia's Temple of Courage, and Kirby's Star Arena, then I absolutely won't do it here. Besides, using the polls will make the page boring, and plus I run the page. If you run the page, you can do the poll, but I'm not doing it! Squallinoa 08 (talk) 06:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Even so, I'd suggest YOU (squall) make it clear how things are to be run on the page. If you don't want the sysops to take control of the page, then show some leadership and manage the posters.  You can do it, just make sure they know the rules.   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 06:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. I will only except fights I want to see in the arena. However, if the users love it, I will queued it. Squallinoa 08 (talk) 06:55, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's up to you, but I'd make a limit to how many posts to be put up in a certain period of time. I'd also make sure that the users are following your established rules, as that's what set CH off (at least I think so).  BTW, do you know who made the Squallinoa canceling page?   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 07:01, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No idea. Basically I'm just following he same aspect as FFwiki. Squallinoa 08 (talk) 07:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Goodbye, Squalinoa. I'm watching this in real time and it was nice knowing you. Semicolon (talk) 06:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sick of being treated like an unexperience wiki user. I know what I'm fucking doin! I know how to operate that page because I've used examples from the other sites! SO WHY DO HE FUCKING TRUST ME?!!!!! This wiki must be the most boringest wiki EVER! Final Fantasy wiki, Zeldapedia, Kingdom Hearts wiki, and all the other wikis in the world are more fun this piece of crappy wiki. You know why? Because all those wikis have one thing in common; THEY DON'T WANNA BE JUST A BORING ENCYCLOPEDIA, BUT A FUN SITE FOR EVERYONE!!!!!! maybe you should learn the very essence of fun next time! Squallinoa 08 (talk) 06:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If I may, I will make a few points.
 * 1.No it's not. It's supposed to be a place for people to learn about Super Smash Bros., not a place for the users to go insane and create 5 forums for the same thing.
 * 2. As Clarinet Hawk said, this is a different wiki. We have different standards, so if you don't like it, go to one of your other wikis, instead of flaming an admin who did the right thing.
 * 3. I'm pretty sure the admins are kind of pissed off at the other wikis too. I don't think they want it to be fun, just informational.


 * I hope I've made my points clear.  O,  Mighty   Smoreking  13:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Smash Wiki: The Movie
Am I in it? <font color="Green">Para <font color="Blue">Goomba <font color="Red">348 (<font color=" Orange">C'mon, just talk to me ) 06:06, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 06:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Am I? Masterman   Eat   Turkey!  14:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Problems
Listen, I don't really think the Wiki has recently been that - er - protected. This means to all sysops, but because you're the most active, I'm blaming you the most. In the list of, there have been many useless pages and stuff, and they still haven't been deleted, even when the sysops were active. And banning users. I understand the need of banning Squallinoa_08, but when the creator of Squalinoa_canecling is still not blocked or warned and the uploader of   hasn't been stopped, there's a problem. I know people should have notified you about these vandals, but there were very open chances (for example, you deleted Squalinoa canecling but never blocked the user, who should have been blocked for spam and vandalism - instead, you called it funny). Is there something I'm missing here? ''' METEORITE (t)