Forum:Why are Wario and Ness considered low tier characters?

Wario has the third fastest air speed in the game and can turn around midair without losing speed. He's small for a character in his weight class, Wario Bike helps greatly with recovery, air game is pretty good, ground game isn't quite as good as his air game, but isn't useless either. Boost Smash isn't a killer, but helps out Wario on the ground. Chomp can be used to counter shield grabs.

Ness has decent tilts, a yo-yo that's good for racking up damage, and a dash attack with some qualities like a disjointed hitbox. His back throw and bair when sweetspotted are very powerful.

They are both floaty, but floatyness isn't as much of a problem as it was in Melee due to not becoming helpless when air dodging. --TStick (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)