Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl

I cleaned-up this article a lot. I find it strange that the message said "Don't edit this article with newcomers unless they are officially announced", and we had rumored characters. Makes no sense.

Also, most of the references were meaningless. So, I helped out. Sorry if anyone disagrees, but I believe the article looks cleaner now.

But, we do need information on gameplay. Is anyone willing to make a section on that? If not, I will later. Setherex 21:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There should be a gameplay section with information about items, stages, and modes similar to the other game articles. I support staying away from rumoured characters. Dtm142 03:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia
Hasn't this article been copied from Wikipedia?? 190.40.67.177 22:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Reference
I'm really bad with references, so please fix that cite error. Thanks --24.6.103.162 01:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent discussions
Should the Items,Pokemon and Assist Trophies be aranged alphabetically like the Stages? - Nitromaster

Hey, with the E3 conference gone by, and that new mini "trailer" being sohown (The one with DK) should we add it to the list of traiers?

- Blackadder

Shouldn't the new characters, stages, items, pokemon, assist trophies and trailers have their own pages so this page looks tidier? --Dinoshaur 16:13, July 20, 2007 (EDT)

SSBB has been officially given a PAL Europe release date by Nintendo! June 27th. No Aussie release date in sight.... Too bad I'm an Aussie.

-Smash Dood 23:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Boxart
Can we add this to the article? --FoxMaster77 12:25, September 16, 2007 (EDT)
 * no. it's still not known if it's fake or real. FyreNWater 16:17, September 16, 2007 (EDT)
 * It's fake. If it was real, it would AT LEAST have Solid Snake, Bowser, Peach, the Ice Climbers, and Sonic the Hedgehog on it. Johnknight1 9:28, October 13, 2007 (PCT) Now allow me to prove to you how stupid I am through the next several comments.
 * First off, it has Peach. Second, it doesn't have to have every character. Third, Snake and Sonic are secret characters. Fourth, it's being used on GoNintendo. WaluigiIsAwesome 12:52, October 13, 2007 (EDT)
 * I say let's put back the Super Smash Bros. Brawl white background logo over that fake boxart. This isn't wiki (well, sorta), and that is clearly fake. Anyone who thinks otherwise is sorely misled. Anyone who has a link to the white background Super Smash Bros. Brawl logo please replace this fake boxart with it. Thank you. Johnknight1 3:16 October 20, 2007 (PCT)
 * No, it's real. It's being used on GoNintendo, an official Nintendo website. It's the real deal, trust me. WaluigiIsAwesome 05:07, October 23, 2007 (EDT)
 * http://press.nintendo.com/object?id=9713 Username: guest Password: nintendo --Phred 16:34, October 23, 2007 (EDT)
 * That link is not a valid one. Someone give me a valid link to Nintendo's official site saying it's real. Otherwise it is going down. Besides, is there any reason NOT TO HAVE SNAKE, SONIC, or any other 3rd party characters=???? Simpy put, it is the ugliest box art ever for a AAA class game=therefore, it is not the real box art. Go Nintendo said Shiek and Ganondorf were already confirmed in Brawl, and believed some silly rumor that Ike's current up B attack would be a 1 hit KO final smash! XD Johnknight1 1:00, October 25, 2007 (EDT)
 * Notice that the URL is press.nintendo.com. It's NINTENDO'S WEBSITE. How much more official can you get!? (and, yes, Sheik and Ganondorf ARE confirmed for Brawl.) WaluigiIsAwesome 04:21, October 26, 2007 (EDT)
 * Uglisest Art ever? All the art is brand new and looks really good, could you expect this quality from anything but official Nintendo Artwork? --Phred 08:07, October 26, 2007 (EDT)
 * Yes, it's uglier then SSB64's box art. Do I need to show this. This analyisis proves it's fake. And if it's so good, where the hell is Sonic, Snake, Peach, Bowser, and many other important Nintendo characters. We're missing many key starters. There has never been a SSB Box Art that DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE STARTERS (minus Shiek, but she was a transformation). This is fake. Link's face looks like he's stupid, AND THERE IS NO WI-FI SYMBOL! And the one that has it has it out of place. It is fake. PERIOD. --Johnknight1 15:16, October 28, 2007 (EDT)
 * We can't really proof if it is fake or real, if it is real when the game come out in February the Box art will be different than this one, and it will probably have Sonic (and yes peach appear in this boxart). COMA!. sorry PERIOD!. --Fandangox 20:30, October 28, 2007 (EDT)
 * I like how it's being used on an official Nintendo site seems to have no standing in this argument... --Phred 03:10, October 29, 2007 (EDT)
 * Such is life in the wacky wiki world of Brawl news. -- RJM Talk 06:00, October 29, 2007 (EDT)


 * Look, JohnKnight, it's being used on an  OFFICIAL NINTENDO WEBSITE  . It doesn't get any more real than that. Besides, that link you posted essentially says the guy thinks it is real. WaluigiIsAwesome 05:36, October 30, 2007 (EDT)
 * This is the real box art it was shown on the E for EXpo and gamestope toysrus and Nintendo.--REGISTER 11:04, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
 * OK, Brekkens. 1. it looks SWEEEEET! 2. why the heck does it "need" sonic and snake? if luigi isn't in this, i'll eat my hat. hes not on there, right? (PS: w/ mario's fludd, luigi should have the vacuum.)3. some of the peeps on the melee box were in tiiiiiny pix.4. offical enough 4 me. saying the url is not official is like saying the DOJO!!! is a mass of info for a game released on 2/30/08. Seriously people. stop eating his head off.
 * Oh, and wouldja look at that? Now it's on the JAPANESE DOJO, too. *victory music* WaluigiIsAwesome 22:56, December 26, 2007 (EST)
 * Ok lets put this one to bed people, we now know that its REAL (mostly because Nintendo is USING IT for their product package) and that there is so much evidence that you have to have an I.Q. of 4 not to realize its the real art. Anonymous

Ice Climbers stage
I think that the Ice Climbers may have a stage that was shown in the third trailer today. If you pause while the Ice Climbers are doing their victory pose (after Yoshi), you can see that the platform they are on looks icy, while the background has what appears to be the Northern Lights, something absent from other stages, but can usually be seen in cold, northern places (hence the name), like Alaska (and I don't mean Shadow Moses Island XD). I believe that this stage may be the Ice Climber's stage. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, I just wanted to see if I could add it to the page. Teamrocketspy621 17:34, October 10, 2007 (EDT)
 * I've been hearing this elsewhere as well, but... is this enough to justify a stage page? And what would we call it before we get an official name? I guess if enough people agree that it's enough, I wouldn't mind an entry being made out of it. -Thores 00:27, October 11, 2007 (EDT)

Bit World?
So, I was looking through the stages listed, and noticed Bit World.

I'm sorry but when did this come up? Where was it shown? If it was in an update, or trailer, then I'm sorry, but I've never heard of it.
 * From what I can tell, it's rubbish. Someone's been going around and making stuff up on various pages. I'm pretty sure this is the same guy who added a completely made up moveset for Lucas on his page. Anyways, I've taken the liberty of removing it. -Thores 00:42, October 11, 2007 (EDT)

Starmie/Staryu
I saw it in one of the gameplay demos so should we list it? - Silentshadow123

Holy lord, no wonder I don't edit Brawl articles. "ISAWTHISSHOULDWEADDIT!?!?!" "IFYOUPAUSEYOUCANSEEBALLOONFIGHTERRR!!!!11" -- good god. -- RJM Talk 01:50, October 15, 2007 (EDT)

I saw it in video footage too, and it is on Gimpyfish's E for All thread, but I forget which one. Check that page, then add it. Johnknight1 21:40, November 1, 2007 (EDT)
 * Here David Hayter is in an interview.--REGISTER 23:44, November 3, 2007 (EDT)

Poor
This article is, in several ways, poorly written. Almost all the sections are too short, and a lack of Images and Tables ruins the article even further. Now, I know you guys did your best to make this article, but it could definitely be rewritten better. - Pokemon DP - I'm busy on the MarioWiki, so I can't do it, sorry. :(

Table
Could we add a table of the players from SSB SSBM and SSBB?--REGISTER 11:01, November 1, 2007 (EDT)

Assist Trophies
Why does this article's Assist Trophy section differ from the box? I see Saki and Metroid that here here but aren't there. Is there any reason for that? RandomGuy42 02:48, November 9, 2007 (EST)

yeah, hes airan jo there. i put in saki/airan jo.

deletion of unconfirmed mush.
WHAT IS WRONG WIT' YOU PEOPLE??? WHY CAN'T WE DELORT THE UNCONFIRMED MUSH AFTER DE-CONFIRMATION, AND PUT THE "UNVERIFIED CLAIMS" HEADER AT THE TOP???? geez... Tatanga4Brawl 7:43Pm EST 11/13/07

This article is horrible.
It's quite honestly the worst article I've encountered on the Wiki so far, barring blatant vandalism. There's no reason for EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT in the game to have its own sub-section. When you look at the fact that many of these subsections consist of nothing more than a sentence, you begin to wonder, "... what the hell was/were the person/people thinking when they wrote this?" I'm going to do a major cutting down on this article; several things will be removed or moved to new pages. The article is currently 44 kilobytes long - that's just absolutely ridiculous. 20:16, November 23, 2007 (EST)

Rearranged
put everything in Modes

Ness, Lucario, & Jigglypuff...confirmed?
As some of you may/may not know, that 5 minute How to Play video? It was recently updated. On the sticker part of it, it goes over the Groudon & Claus. But rather then being blank, they show the power-up information stuffs.

Groudon showed: Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, LUCARIO & JIGGLYPUFF icons. Claus showed: NESS & Lucas icons.

It should be noted that, by now, the video has been reverted. But there are several pictures out there showing them, and I'm sure someone capture the video. SHould we add them? Maybe under the unconfirmed characters section? (Mario66 00:51, January 21, 2008 (EST))

I put them under unconfirmed, but I'm sort of having second thoughts. This was from THE official Japanese Nintendo website, plus word will we get to Sakurai and he'll probably put them on the site soon. Pokemon Master

Unconfirmed characters
Why are we listing these lame rumors? Can't you guys just wait until the game comes out (which is next week) or wait for the Dojo to confirm them? --Trogga 12:29, January 24, 2008 (EST)

Sakurai will probably do the finishing touches to the dojo in the next week or two just keep it, its not that long now.

Captain Falcon and Ganondorf
Where were Captain Falcon and Ganondorf confirmed? - Pokemon DP

According to some people brawlcentral.com did EDIT: they appear to have a leaked copy and are proving things left and right. ~Crystal_Lucario 07:22, January 29, 2008 (EST) edit by:~Crystal_Lucario 07:57, January 29, 2008 (EST)

See: http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/ – EP (Talk &bull; Edits) 08:00, January 29, 2008 (EST)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vgcats/sets/72157603813685808/ Go here and you can see a lot of leaked images on the Subspace Emissary. And no, I'm not joking. If someone could put this on the confirmed characters page (There are a lot of leaked images) as a link because I don't know how to. Hamstermilitary 10:10, January 29, 2008 (EST)

More Characters maybe?
Today Serebii.net said that this was the almost full roster to Brawl. So are we expecting more characters or something? Pokemon Master 19:04, January 30, 2008 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the "Full" roster we have. You'll notice two things: there are only 8 entries on the bottom row (including the random square), and charactrs from similar games don't line up. If we insert a space between Dedede and Lucario, it fixes everything. Lucario lines up with Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, and Jigglypuff; Ness lines up with Lucas; Sonic ends up under Snake; Bowser gets pushed around to line up with Mario, Luigi, and Peach; Wario gets pushed with the other "Mario spin-offs" (Diddy, DK, Yoshi); Toon Link lines up with Link, Zelda, Gannondorf; And Kirby, Metaknight, Dedede remain untouched. So who could go in this exta slot added? Well, since it's under Fox and Falco, it's likely a starfox character. Krystal seems likely, given that we've heard info on her already, but I've also heard a rumor it's Star Wolf. --Wildfire393 10:52, January 30, 2008 (EST)

Yeah its wolf 71.208.58.207 00:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

One Last Time
Looks like Sakurai decided to keep the original 12 in for round 3, but will they continue to appear in round 4?

Lol, I dunno. He did say he was making Brawl as it was the last game in the series, so It's best not to think about the next game for now. --Phred 11:18, January 31, 2008 (EST)

Melee Stages
K, is there any real confirmation that Jungle Japes, Green Greens, Pokemon Stadium and Big Blue are in the game? I have not seen any proof of this, but if anyone has, please be kindest to show confirmation. --Mr. Satran 13:53, January 31, 2008 (EST)
 * K, I've seen footage of them in Brawl. Never mind.--Mr. Satran 10:54, February 2, 2008 (EST)

Port Town Aero Dive is confirmed
On the "First Songs in My Music" update on the Dojo, their table lists all the starting stages with the corresponding music, and listed there is Port Town Aero Dive. I'm going to make a change to reflect this if no one objects.  Thou Hath No Honor 22:39, February 3, 2008 (EST)
 * How convenient, the Dojo updated it today.  Thou Hath No Honor 07:01, February 4, 2008 (EST)

So why are Secret Stages being added to the Confirmed Stages section?
Especially considering there is already a Secret Stages section? Why not just put all the secret stages under the Confirmed Secret Stages section? Or at least just put the remaining secret stages into Confirmed Stages. It seems silly.

New gameplay thingy?
I've noticed something whilst watching a video on YouTube.

If a character is sent flying and they fly into another character, the other character gets damage and gets knocked away as well.

An example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEyoD9nod0c&feature=user at 02:16 - 02:18.

That's pretty neat. Dilophosaurus Rex

NA RELEASE!?!?!
My friend told me something yesterday IDK if I really believe it but... he said he went to a gamestop to get the new destroy all humans but they had Brawl! ~Crystal_Lucario 06:52, February 27, 2008 (EST)

HELLO?!?! ~Crystal_Lucario 17:08, February 27, 2008 (EST)
 * Possibly the demo? Gargomon251 18:41, February 27, 2008 (EST)

I called and they said they didn't have it so nvrmd D: ~Crystal_Lucario 19:55, February 27, 2008 (EST)

Oh no your friends telling the truth they have brawl... just the cool case its on display and the disk isent even in there i asked them in person

This is not a forum, people! And PLEASE sign yourself with 4 clicks: ~. Thank you --Misken67 04:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC) ??????????? What are you talking about?Sith24ssb 22:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm talking about how this talk page is not a forum. Its a place to discuss how to improve the article. --Misken67 21:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Requesting Protection...
Could we lock this page? It seems to be the most vandalized page on the entire SSB Wiki... - Gargomon251 23:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I've already had to fix it twice owing to blatant vandalism. 75.167.94.22 23:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

English Character Selection Screenshot?
Obviously, this isn't a big deal, but I think it would be nice to replace the Japanese version screenshot of the completed character selection screen with one from the English version. (There's probably some people out there who've completed it by now....) 64.40.45.222 03:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

EU Release Date
The release date for Europe is not the 6th of June, that date was proven as false.

NA Sales Data
I'm just going to point out this site right here. That's all I need to say. Have fun! --Misken67 00:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Starting Roster rearrange
I think you guys need to rearrange the roster correctly because when you choose your character, the announcer says Pikmin and Olimar only in the Japanese Version while the US says Olimar. So can you guys correctly change it despite the Smash Bros. DOJO saying Pikmin and Olimar instead just Olimar when you guys play the game.

Verb Agreement and spelling errors
In the Characters section of the article, there's a sentence right below the "Default Characters" sub-section that reads, "Their apperance as default characters have been confirmed by comparing the DOJO!! page to a screenshot." It should be "Their appearance as default characters has been confirmed by comparing the DOJO!! page to a screenshot," the errors being in the spelling of 'appearance' and 'has' instead of 'have'. Although no one else might care or see the point, I find a lot of grammatical and punctuational errors in the use of verbs and commas. I'd fix it all, but, ya know. ParkerScott 16:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Europe Release Date
Rejoice!! For Super Smash Bros. Brawl has a confirmed European release date! June 27th is when the Europeans will be getting it!

Unfortunately, I'm an Aussie... Grrr. Still no release date for us...

-Smash Dood

XPLAY GAVE IT A 5 of 5. (Enzeru 17:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC))
 * uhhh lil' late there ain't ya? Carbonkirby 14:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Brawl Guide!
I really think someone needs to make an article on the Super Smash Bros. Brawl Prima Official Strategy Guide because it would help people know more about Brawl if they don't have the guide. I even found a picture of it!--King Dedede Kirby (talk) 23:03, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea in theory, but I think doing that might qualify as copyright infringement.--Bman87301 (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't mean for it to sound like that! I just meant that people could list information from the guide in completely different writing. People could even list the mistakes that were accidentally made in the guide. Like the fact that Prima mistakenly thinks that Squirtle is heavier than Ivysaur.--King Dedede Kirby (talk) 00:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Should I make the article? I have the Guide. Zmario (talk) 14:00, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Me too, I could help.12.74.205.224 01:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Famitsu Score
"including a perfect score from the Japanese magazine Famitsu, a feat obtained only by a handful of other titles"

This statement is extremely questionable. They make no attempt to hide the fact their reviews are heavily influenced by game publishers, who can infact choose to have the score of their game raised, but sacrifice advertisements in the magazine. I'm not sure where this ideal of having a high Famitsu score being a big deal came about from, perhaps it's being confused with the UK's EDGE magazine, which are well known for their punishing reviews, and have also given out very few perfect scores92.21.73.176 00:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It may be, in fact, controversial, but the fact remains that it happened. If it happened, and its notable, it stays. --Misken67 (talk) 04:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)