Talk:Palette Swap (Super Smash Bros. Brawl)

why call it Pallete Swap? Its official name is color changes... JtM =^&#93; (talk) 08:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Not according to Wikipedia ರ_ರ  Koopa Klaus  Happy Holidays 08:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * -.- It is according to Masahiro Sakurai. JtM =^&#93; (talk) 08:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * But ily :'{  Koopa Klaus  Happy Holidays 08:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * look JtM =^&#93; (talk) 08:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ..... shit...... Wacky? Will you fix my mistake for me plz? :3  Koopa Klaus  Happy Holidays 08:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Lucario Pallette Swap
''Lucario only has five colorations, and lacks its shiny color. Note that Lucario's white coloration is similar to Giygas's appearance in Mother. '':says, the article. What has Lucario got to do with Gigyas? I don't get it. Also, isn't Gigyas like his EarthBound appearance in Mother then (I've never played Mother so I didn't know how different he looks.)? But still, there's no connection at all. -- Jackton TALK  19:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It should prolly be removed.  Blue Ninjakoopa  Happy Holidays 21:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I've read that since Mother games were made by some of the same people as the Pokemon games, there's some similarities between Giygas and Mewtwo as well as Lucario. I'd like to see images to compare to verify this.  Miles ( talk)   22:54, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

BTW, if you invert Lucario red colors, appears shiny.
 * No, he doesn't. Lucario's "shiny" colour scheme is effectively an invert of his default palette swap, not his red palette swap.  Penguin  of  Death   15:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

No TOCRIGHT plz
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/cd-i/images/c/c3/PSPS.PNG

As you can see, the TOC goes behind the images. Smoreking (T)  (c)  20:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, i don't like what it is nau, cos TOCRIGHT looks a lot better, and you can go straight to the article without having to scroll down... ' ~Teh Blue ' Blur~ ~You're too slow!~ 20:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * nau? Or you could click Bowser in TOC. People may be looking for a specific character, but can't due to it being blocked by the TOC. Smoreking (T)  (c)  20:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * On my comp it looks fine. Look. I'm just gonna upload the pics. ' ~Teh Blue ' Blur~ ~You're too slow!~ 20:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yesz!

Fail ' ~Teh Blue ' Blur~ ~You're too slow!~ 20:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

More TOC Stuff
The Table of Contents is totally separating Bowser's thumbnail from his name. Sincerely, me.

obvious reference is obvious
Meta Knight's white costume resembling Galacta Knight is more valid than his blue looking like Dark Meta Knight and far more tangible than the comment on his pink costume resembling Kirby.
 * Galacta Knight didn't exist at the time Brawl was made. Dark Meta Knight did. Dazuro (talk) 20:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Many, many links for me deleted stuff
Lucario  And a quote from a friend: "Another thought: Lucario refs Toxicroak with his purple-and-red scheme. Think about it: Toxicroak is a very blued-out violet, as is that Lucario. Toxicroak has a red spot on him, his throat bulge. The chest region of Lucario is also red. The border color on both is black. The chosen colors are very close to each other. Further similarities, both are in the same egg group and share a type, Humanshape and Fighting."

Peach   

Diddy:  Seriously, look at it. I am not saying it IS the basis for Green Diddy, merely a possibility.

Wario: These are obvious. The pink and blue overalls are his WarioWare color scheme, and the yellow and purple biker suit is his normal color scheme. I probably worded that badly.

Meta Knight: Dark Meta Knight is clear to me and many other people.

Marx isn't however. Marx Meta has the pink color Marx had, along with a rainbow cape/wings to emulate Marx's wings. In addition, he is the only costume that gets special cape color, instead of being solid.

Pokemon Trainer: Compare their hats:  

That should cover all of mine that were removed, plus one more. Cheers! 75.136.214.235 05:09, 17 June 2009 (UTC) ETA: I didn't know that the pictures would show up instead of being links. If need be, I can edit them to links.
 * I made them links. Your edits to this page are the only edits you've ever made to SmashWiki, but, based on what you've said, I presume that you are The Qu. In future, please quote what you added to the page, and use the names of colour schemes as they are given on the palette swap page so that I can tell what you're referring to. Your points in order:
 * No - Toxicroak is blue with a red throat pouch and red fingers, while Lucario's red palette swap makes him purple with a red torso.
 * Yes - Peach's blue and green palette swaps make her look like Peach and Daisy from Mario Golf respectively.
 * Yes - The colours used are either the same or only slightly different (probably due to the fact that Diddy Kong Racing came out long before Brawl so the graphics wouldn't be as good) but I'm not sure about the stars
 * That wasn't worded very well - in his blue overalls look, his overalls are the same colour as his jacket in his default biker look, and his shirt is the same colour as his trousers in his default biker look. Wario's WarioWare colour scheme is his default biker colour scheme in Brawl. I haven't addressed all the points in that sentence as I didn't really understand what you were getting at.
 * No - Dark Meta Knight has a silver sword, face, shoulder pads and gloves, he has yellow eyes, and he has a dark, ragged cape. Meta Knight's blue palette swap in Brawl has a gold sword, a dark face, shoulder pads and gloves, he has red eyes, and his cape isn't ragged. The only similarity is that their bodies are both dark, but you'd expect that of "Dark" Meta Knight and "blue" Meta Knight.
 * No - They look completely different. Marx's wings didn't have a rainbow pattern, they had patches of bright colours on them. Also, Marx was very faintly pink, whereas Meta Knight's pink palette swap is bright pink. If it is a reference, it's a very subtle one.
 * If you could reword the Wario line, I'll tell you what I think of it. Some good suggestions, keep 'em coming.  Penguin  of  Death   07:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Silly me, I missed your last point. The hats are the same, but that's already in the article ("Red: His hat resembles the one of Leaf, the female trainer in Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen"). I think that's everything now. Except the Wario line.  Penguin  of  Death   07:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Palette swap's copyright
Hello, I wanna know if we could take -for our siteweb- Palettes swap without matter. It's possible?

A few things...
Okay. First, Bowser's blue color change is not the same as Iggy's colors. It only has similar head and shell colors to Iggy's earlier sprites. Second, his white pallette doesn't change his hair. Third, the Ice Climbers' red pallette is basically Popo and Nana swapped. Fourth, pink King Dedede is also in Kirby 64's multiplayer, if two or more people choose Dedede. Fifth, the Devil's Machine has Ness wearing a blue-billed, purple cap, not a purple-billed, blue cap. Sixth, yellow R.O.B. has a coloring similar to that of StarFox's ROB64. Seventh, Wolf's black pallette gives him clothes similar to the clothes worn by Leon Powalski. Eighth, LoZ:ALttP official artwork shows Zelda with a pink and white dress. I would edit the page, but every picture on an article I edit here gets deleted, unless I just edit a section of the article, in which case, every picture in the section. IT GETS ANNOYING! Sonic64 (talk) 22:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * So you're saying that something causes all images to be removed when you edit a page or section? Do the images appear when you hit "Show preview", or does the image syntax vanish as soon as you see the edit screen for the first time? Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] eXemplary Logic  The Stats Guy  The Table Designer   cntrbs 13:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems that you're not the only one having this problem; two IPs have edited recently, and the images in those sections vanished. There must be something wrong somewhere. All I can say is, make sure the image is there when you press "Save page". If it still disappears then, we have a severe problem. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] eXemplary Logic  The Stats Guy  The Table Designer   cntrbs 17:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't press "Save page!" That'll make the pictures disappear! Sonic64 (talk) 22:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I may have figred out the problem, but I can't be sure. I'll check. Sonic64 (talk) 23:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I have a theory that I hope is wrong. Could it have something to do with images being linked by means of as opposed to  ? Miles ( talk)  00:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Both of our theories are wrong. Sonic64 (talk) 01:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Then it is... what exactly? Miles ( talk)   01:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no clue. Sonic64 (talk) 01:37, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

...Can someone make the edits? --Sonic64 (talk) 23:22, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

These are the changes needed I currently know of: BOWSER: Black: It might be a dark costume. Red: It resembles Wendy O. Koopa's early sprites. Blue: It also resembles Iggy Koopa. (should be "It also resembles Iggy Koopa's early sprites, especially Super Mario All-Stars.") DIDDY KONG: Green was in DK64's Monkey Smash, as well as blue and yellow. DONKEY KONG: Blue: One of the alternate colours in Donkey Kong 64. (His blue pallette in DK64 gave him black fur and a blue tie, while his purple pallette gave him orange fur and a purple tie) Green: One of the alternate colours in Donkey Kong 64. (Donkey Kong was the only playable character in Donkey Kong 64 without a green color in multiplayer) FALCO: Red: It was also his pallette in StarFox Assault outside of multiplayer KING DEDEDE: Pink: It was in Kirby 64 multiplayer LUCARIO: White: It vaguely resembles the Melee character he replaced, Mewtwo. NESS: Blue: Contrary to popular belief, Ness's face in the Devil's Machine was wearing a reddish hat with a bluish bill ROB: Yellow: It looks like StarFox's ROB64 in color. WOLF: Black: It looks like a dark costume, but it may be a reference to Leon Powalski, who wears similar clothes.
 * Sonic64 (talk) 19:04, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Color
I may be wrong, but doesn't Meta Knight's costume with red eyes look like Dark Meta Knight? i know it is kinda obvious, but i couldn't edit the page for some reason, and i was never blocked.--Shade Link (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Before posting new comments, please read the whole Talk page to see if the issue has already been discussed. As it happens, this has already been discussed. This was the response:
 * "No - Dark Meta Knight has a silver sword, face, shoulder pads and gloves, he has yellow eyes, and he has a dark, ragged cape. Meta Knight's blue palette swap in Brawl has a gold sword, a dark face, shoulder pads and gloves, he has red eyes, and his cape isn't ragged. The only similarity is that their bodies are both dark, but you'd expect that of "Dark" Meta Knight and "blue" Meta Knight."
 * I hope that answers your question.  Penguin  of  Death   17:15, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

What the?
Well, my page is created, but i can't edit anything! I was never blocked though. What is going on? --Shade Link (talk) 16:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What can you not edit? If you are referring to the fact that you cannot edit Palette Swap (SSBB), that is because it has been protected so only administrators can edit it. This is stated at the top of the page when you try to edit it:
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Fake Picture
Hey, if you click pictures, and go to either the 4th, or 5th page after typing in "Link", there is this guy wearing a green shirt who has nothing to do with link. Is that supposed to be there?--Shade Link (talk) 18:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This page is really not the place for such discussions. Instead, start a new section on my talk page, an administrator's talk page, or, preferably, the talk page of the image itself. If you do start a new section on a user's talk page, please either name the image, or embed it using the thumb notation where "image name" is the exact name of the image in question.  Penguin  of  Death   19:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Link black costume
Link's black costume text should be rewritten. It should have this text intead:

Based off Dark Link who originated from Zelda II: The Adventure of Link and appeared again in Ocarina of Time. His appearance is derived from Dark Link's cameo appearance in Twilight Princess. He also gains the negative version of his shield, symbolizing his negativity/darkness.

Props, BNK.
Good job here. It even got featured! But why is the article protected? Paper Bowser (talk) 02:08, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Because people were constantly adding incorrect sources for outfits, such as one IP who incessantly claimed that Blue Toon Link was based on Geno. Miles ( talk)   02:35, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh. Paper Bowser (talk) 19:12, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Dark Meta Knight
I know the pallete swap doesn't look much like Dark MK, but the first thing I think about when I see it is him. It's not really supposed to be him, but it might be a reference. 98.117.158.220 19:57, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * "I know the pallete swap doesn't look much like Dark MK..." -- This is correct. Therefore it isn't a reference.  Miles ( talk)   03:43, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * However, Bowser's pallette swap doesn't look at all like his son, but it's worth mentioning. Also, I have Kirby and the Amazing mirror, and I recently checked: Dark Meta is a shadowy version of Meta. Meta's blue palette swap is darker and has red eyes. It's the only thing I could compare him to. 98.117.158.220 18:02, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Not every outfit is a reference, obviously. So there's no need to try and find one for every outfit.
 * And which Bowser outfit are you referring to? Miles ( talk)   22:27, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Lucas' Pajamas
Lucas' blue costume resembles his blue-and-white striped pajamas. --Pokeflora (talk) 01:52, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Pics plz Miles ( talk)   02:31, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Pikachu
All right he got the headgears of several Pokémon Trainers, I give you that... but there is an interesting resemblance of the 3 Main-Game-Companies ... Think about it, is it really an coincidence, compared to the Melee costumes where he had different?
 * Red = Mario's Hat?
 * Green = Snake's Bandana?
 * Blue = Sonic's Eyes?
 * How on earth does Blue Pikachu have Sonic's eyes? Miles ( talk)   17:33, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * He means Pikachu's goggles resemble Sonic's eyes. And it's probably not coincidence, as in Melee he had the same red costume, but a different blue and green one. It's worth being put into the article. 98.117.158.220 17:57, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Your line "is it really an [sic] coincidence" presumes that your assumptions that the palette swaps made Pikachu resemble other characters were correct.
 * Pikachu's red hat looks nothing like any of Mario's hats, or the hat of any other character in the game - the fact that they're both hats isn't enough to merit a mention in the article.
 * Pikachu's green bandana looks nothing like any of Snake's bandanas - same as the above but with the word "hats" replaced with the word "bandanas".
 * Pikachu's goggles look nothing like Sonic's eyes - same as the above but with the word "bandanas" replaced with the word... "blue"? I don't see any connection at all on this one...
 *  Penguin  of  Death   20:01, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay maybe the word "resemblance" was a little bit far fetched and thinking of the Melee palette swaps that got replaced in Brawl... maybe that's because that old-men's green hat and that SSB blue "party-hat" were too random, so they gave pikachu something with more connection to the Pokemon Series (Pichu's/Swimmer's goggles and Brendan's headband).
 * Main idea of my statement was...
 * Mario has a red hat, Pikachu too.
 * Snake has a Bandana right above his eyes, Pikachu too.
 * Sonic has big white spaces in his face... his eyes, Pikachu too... kinda...
 * Peach and Zelda both wear dresses, obviously they're references to each other. Or maybe Peach/Zelda/Samus are all female- obviously this is an allusion! Shadowcrest  16:04, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * They look quite alike in my opinion. Palette swaps arn't ment to be perfect refrences. And unlike the peach/zelda thing, the resemblences are the same color. the goggles look startlingly like sonic's eyes. The bandana looks very much like snake's. And mario's hat looks somewhat like the red hat.
 * The palette swaps are supposed to be:
 * Red = Red's hat
 * Green = Brendan's emerald bandana
 * Blue = Pichu's melee goggles
 * I really don't see any of the resemblances you mentioned.  Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 20:47, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * Because you don't want to XD
 * I really hope you were being sarcastic there.  Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 19:08, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * What!! Blue costume supposed to be Pichu?! What!! That's an even more obscure refrence than the one being suggested. 98.117.158.220 20:38, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * How is that obscure? It was one of his costumes in Brawl. Where else would they be from? - Gargomon251 (talk) 21:04, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow chill he was just pointing something out. No need to ridicule him.Highwaypumpy (talk) 20:37, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm I should be careful with releasing my opinion here.
 * Hmm I should be careful with releasing my opinion here.

Locked
Is this page locked? I can not seem to edit it. Daisy09 (talk) 14:56, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. It is protected. I don't really see why though. ☆ The  Solar  Dragon  ( Talk ) ☆ 16:48, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I requested that it be protected because people kept adding incorrect facts, and edit warring was liable to occur. If you believe that the article warrants any kind of alteration, please use this talk page to describe in full the edit you would like to be made, and either myself or one of the other Administrators will decide whether or not the edit should be made, then act appropriately.  Penguin  of  Death   18:08, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hm alright then. The Peach section needs changing. It contains speculation as well a spoor description. I believe, by the facts it should be changed to:

Pink (Default) Yellow: Princess Daisy's pallete colors. Red hair, yellow dress, orange/white accents, green/red jewels. Unlike Melee, this is only a direct recolor; her earrings, crown, brooch, sleeves, and collar are not given a new mesh. Red: Red dress, red and purple jewels. Blue: Lavender dress, pink/teal jewels, silver crown. Green: Green dress, red purple green and blue jewels. White: White dress, blue and green jewels, silver crown; no longer includes tights like in Melee.

The description for the yellow dress wasn't very great. If that was a Pauline pallete then she would have dark hair and gold jewels. The dresses Peach and Daisy had in NES Open tournament Golf were not actually these colors. Aside from the main screen in game they were colored correctly. If that was a super mario bros. outfit she would have different hair as well as different second colors.

Lucas: Orange: Twin brother Claus' pallete colors. Red hair, shirt with blue and yellow stripes; the main difference form the actual character being the hair facing the opposite direction.

Luigi: Purple: Waluigi's pallete colors. Purple hat and shirt, dark overalls, orange shoes.

Mario: Yellow: Wario's pallete colors; just as in the previous Smash titles. Yellow hat and shirt, purple overalls,green shoes.

I'd rewrite a lot more but not being able to do this directly is a little annoying. Daisy09 (talk) 20:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't need or want a specific description of each aspect of each outfit -- that's why we have pictures. And it's locked because IPs kept adding highly incorrect statements, such as saying that Blue Toon Link was a reference to Geno.
 * And I realize some of the "references" don't always match up exactly. But if there's some notable comparison that may have been the reason for the color scheme's creation, it merits mention.  Miles ( talk)   03:47, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

You understand the need to stop incorrect statements but you agree with allowing speculative content with poor basis? Regardless, the costume that are based on characters like I typed here still need to be changed and somebody should think more clearly that if a costume was based on something else in reality it would be as close as the other costumes which are clearly based on other outfits/characters. I thoroughly explained my reasoning for changing Peach's. Daisy09 (talk) 1:29, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Sonic - Yellow
on the yellow palette, Sonic's shoes remind me in the Sega Master System/Game Gear version of Sonic the Hedgehog (1)... his shoes looked more yellowish instead of red, what they are supposed to be, I guess that's because of technical issues on this early console.

Zamus
How does her black costume resemble bikini suit samus in any way? 98.117.158.220 00:24, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The bikini might have been black.
 * And... and my article. It's been featured. :') 67.10.177.73 01:00, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I've played the original metroid and beaten it; Bikini suit samus is redish. Besides, even if BSS was black it still is as worth mentioning as Blue MK's costume is as a resemblense to DMK from KatAM. 98.117.158.220 01:40, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Two words - Super Metroid. But yeah, it doesn't deserve mention. Toomai Glittershine [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] eXemplary Logic  The Stats Guy  The Table Designer  02:54, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then can you please remove it. 98.117.158.220 03:38, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Meta Knight
Re: the perceived "Dark Meta Knight" costume. This is an official image of Dark Meta Knight.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/en/images/7/79/DARK_Meta_Knight.JPG


 * different color eyes
 * different color cape
 * different color sword
 * different color shoes

NEVER mention this again. Miles ( talk)  02:53, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wrong. That's simply official art. The in-game image of DMK looks quite different. 98.117.158.220 03:40, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * And no, the cape is the same color. 98.117.158.220 03:41, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * For those wondering, Miles obtained this image from the Kirby Wiki. Also, I agree, since this has been brought up a few times.
 * 98 - http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/en/images/a/aa/Metadark.jpg (it actually looks the same, with no resemblance to MK's blue costume in Brawl; another note - DMK removes his cape in-game) 67.10.177.73 03:43, February 25, 2010 (UTC)