Forum:The Tier List, version 2

New tier list. Discuss. --Posted by Pikamander2   (Talk)  at 22:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I already started a section on the old topic, but oh well. Lots of changes in the tier below top in this one. Every old high tier got moved, with Marth and Diddy getting to A Tier, DK and Wolf moving down and so on.- Hatake91 (talk) 22:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Once again. Jigglypuff went down, not happy. Ice climbers went down, not happy. Falco went up, happy. Wolf went down, not happy. Y462 (T • C • E ) 22:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

YEAH!!!! Peach went up!!! Shes in the exact middle if you take the numbers away! JtM =^&#93; (talk) 23:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Ya know, Im gonna make my own page with commentary on this. Go here to see my views.  Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 00:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm really not liking the Sonic Riders-style "SS Tier" bit; what was wrong with High, Mid, Low? Anyways, Kirby's up one, which I like. Falco went up, which I like. Marth is back on the top, but R.O.B. going down disappoints me. Wario's too high for his own good (Wario for bottom tier!). Olimar's skyrocket was expected. Wolf shouldn't have gone down. Luigi should have gone down, Zelda up. Link's finally gone up! Ness and Lucas are going the wrong way, and that's all I have to say.--Meta-K (talk) 00:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

IMO, this version is a little better. R.O.B. and Wolf can no longer be targeted by scrubs as "cheap" now that they're low enough, but unfortunately, neither can Pit. I wish Mario and Ness would be placed in their rightful places, which is the 'C' tier, being that they have balanced attributes. Then again, their terrible recoveries would bring them to the 'D' ranking. I'm amazed at Olimar's placement O.o His recovery is terrible, as it doesn't grab the ledge 100% of the time, and he's very light, but he does have fast, strong smashes and aerials as well as outstanding speed. I also see how Ganondorf and C. Falcon haven't moved >.>  Blue  Ninjakoopa  00:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Tier listing doesn't mean that scrubs will still call characters cheap. I'm actually a bit surprised that ZSS and Olimar went up, and Pokemon Trainer went down.   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 00:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What? I'm saying that the common scrub will call anything cheap so long as it's associated with a high tier character, and you should know that by now. If a scrub calls a lower tier character cheap, then that scrub should then be known as a n00b. ZSS is really good, actually.  Blue  Ninjakoopa  00:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Scrubs come in all shapes and sizes. Don't be discriminatory against the scrubs who call low tier characters cheap lol!  ZSS isn't as good as Toon Link.  Or Pit.  Or Wolf   Cheez person  { talk } stuff ''' 01:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * lol  Blue  Ninjakoopa  01:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that there are plenty of non-n00b scrubs out there who have whined about stuff like this at least once, which has nothing to do with tiers. But yes, I do agree with CP (I used to like ZSS, but I find Samus is actually better now). Toon Link should be higher.--Meta-K (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Toon Link is floaty, light, and easily juggled, and of course you agree with 'CP'. :roll:  Blue  Ninjakoopa  01:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sonic and Link went up but, only by a couple of places. Still, at least they went up. Unknown the   Hedgehog  02:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Not many complaints from me, really. MK and Snake are broken beyond all imagination so yeah...it's nice to see Falco up higher IMO, and Marth and Diddy needed that boost. Wario really should've gone down, and idk why R.O.B. did. Olimar shot WAAAY up, which is suprising but not all that bad I guess. Kirby needs to be even higher but it's cool that he got bumped up, but I wonder what caused DK and IC to drop so much? ZSS shot up which is cool, and Pit got brought down like he deserves :D. Why Wolf got lowered is beyond me, and the same goes for Bowser. Fox got lowered AGAIN lol. WTH how did Lucas tie with Ness? I can't belive Sonic went up and PT went down, but Samus did deserve to go upwards some. Yay Link went up, but Gdorf went down D: Shade  487  z / Senior  Sombra!  02:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Finally, Meta Knight and Snake are separated from the rest. But I don't think that Snake should get his own tier, he should be with MK. I'm glad that Falco and Olimar moved up, and Kirby got a bump. However, I'd still like to see the Mother boys get bumped up to at least E tier. - Masq  (t/c/e) 02:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I expected Dedede to fall and Olimar to rise, but I though Wolf would've gotten higher if anything.E123 Brawler  Ω  02:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

What the hell does everyone have against Sonic? Ok, so he's not a Nintendo character. BIG DEAL. Sheesh...  Blue  Ninjakoopa  03:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not bashing on him. And it's just opinions really. I think Sonic is FTW in Brawl, while others disagree. Just like I think Mewtwo in Melee is FTW and again others will disagree. Unknown the   Hedgehog  03:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * They both suck. Yeah, some people can elevate characters like Mewtwo and Sonic to high levels of play, but normally they both suck. Shade  487  z / Senior  Sombra!  03:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * lol that's your opinion, since they do not "suck", as you put it so harshly. Watch Taj's Shadowclaw videos on YouTube, then look at some Sonic combo vids later, so you can see that they have potential. I'm not taking any offense, I simply stating a fact. I agree with Unknown the Hedgehog as well. IMO, Pikachu sucks. That failure rat...  Blue  Ninjakoopa  03:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Shade proved my point about others disagreeing. Unknown the   Hedgehog  03:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No! They don't "normally" suck! I don't understand what everyone has against Sonic, but if you have a little grudge over a video game character, then you have a serious problem. "You" wasn't directed to anyone.  Blue  Ninjakoopa  03:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't believe Link is that low. Unknown the   Hedgehog  03:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Trust me, if you play Scatz's Yoshi or Izaw's Link, you'll start a riot lol  Blue  Ninjakoopa  03:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Here are the differences in places between the old tier list and the new one...
 * 1) Meta Knight 0
 * 2) Snake 0
 * 3) Falco +2
 * 4) King Dedede -1
 * 5) Mr. Game & Watch -1
 * 6) Marth +1
 * 7) Diddy Kong +4
 * 8) Wario 0
 * 9) R.O.B. -3
 * 10) Lucario -1
 * 11) Olimar +7
 * 12) Pikachu 0
 * 13) Kirby +1
 * 14) Donkey Kong +4
 * 15) Ice Climbers -2
 * 16) Zero Suit Samus +5
 * 17) Toon Link 0
 * 18) Pit -3
 * 19) Peach +5
 * 20) Wolf -4
 * 21) Luigi +2
 * 22) Zelda -2
 * 23) Bowser -1
 * 24) Fox -5
 * 25) Sheik +1
 * 26) Ike -1
 * 27) Mario +2
 * 28) Lucas -1
 * 29) Ness -1
 * 30) Samus +1
 * 31) Sonic +2
 * 32) Pokémon Trainer -2
 * 33) Yoshi -1
 * 34) Link +2
 * 35) Jigglypuff -1
 * 36) Ganondorf -1
 * 37) Captain Falcon 0 Unknown  the   Hedgehog  04:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice job =)  Blue  Ninjakoopa  04:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The fact is that just because some people have the ability to "not suck" with low tier characters does not mean that they are inherently not worse than the others. Here, the term suck is used relativistically. Take the 0-16 Detroit Lions. Most football followers would tell you that they "suck." And they do. They are (this year) the worst team in the NFL. Yet they could still kick the living daylights out of most college programs. So they are better than many other people, yet with respect to who they are compared to they are terrible. Same with these low tier characters. And I'm glad someone pointed out Taj and Shadowclaw before I did. I'd also like to point out that Taj plays Marth and/or Fox in all of his major games. Tiers exist, some characters suck, some people show cool stuff with them, and then the top tiers win. That's life. Or really, that's Smash Bros. Ultimately, it's just a game. Play Charizard, have a good laugh, make some money if you can, but this ain't gonna get you laid... Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you certainly put it in a nicer way than Shade did, no offense to him. I concur entirely.  Blue  Ninjakoopa  04:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

New tier designations
OK, so since no one has asked so far, I guess I'll get this conversation going: why are there NINE different "tiers" this time around? The last list had a simple four (Top, High, Middle, and Low). Now, Meta Knight is practically listed as a god, Snake as a demigod, and C Falc, Ganon, Jiggles, and the Hero of Time as trash from the bottom of the dumpster in the G tier! Was it officially decided that we have to cause further tensions between those who faithfully follow tiers, those who don't believe in them, and those who simply want to improve their skill in the game, without being forced to choose a side? Can someone shed some light on this matter?--Meta-K (talk) 17:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)